File of printed papers marked 'Egyptian negotiation' between Curzon and Adly Pasha and the Egyptian delegation [‎56v] (112/178)

Adly Pasha An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders. then said that he took it that the discussions which were now
commencing did not necessarily imply Egyptian acceptance or otherwise o( proposals
which had already been ventilated. Subject to this proviso be would open the
discussion by asking whether Mr. Lindsay wished to separate the issue of the
Capitulations question completely from that of the political treaty.
Mr. Lindsay said that this would certainly be the simplest arrangement, but of
course he was ready to listen to any observations that Adly Pasha An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders. might wish to
make.
Adly Pasha An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders. replied that he recognised that a continued attempt to follow the
precise lines of the Milner procedure would cause delay in the political settlement, and
he therefore asked again whether it was desired to shelve the question of the
Capitulations.
Mr. Lindsay said that that was his idea.
Pushdi Pasha An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders. then enquired whether there was any intention of making the
political settlement contingent on the conclusion of the capitulary conventions.
Mr. Lindsay said that Lord Milner had certainly contemplated such a procedure,
and had specifically laid it down.
Tiushdi Pasha An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders. agreed, but said that if that difficulty was removed they wanted to
know exactly what would happen.
Adly Pasha An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders. said that if it was decided not to make the two sets of negotiations
contingent one on the other, it would be possible together to reacli an agreement.
Mr. Lindsay remarked that in fact it was a negative proposition.
Rushdi Pasha An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders. said that if, after the conclusion of a political settlement with
Egypt, it was desired to modify the capitulary regime, Egypt would have her foreign
representatives and would thus be in a position to take part in negotiations.
Mr. Lindsay interjected that he had not said anything about Egypt having foreign
representation.
Adly Pasha An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders. said that they might suppose it for the sake of argument. It would
have to be determined which of the clauses in the Milner Memorandum might be put
on one side. He mentioned clause 4, sub-head 5, and clause 3, sub-head 1.
Mr. Lindsay said that as regards the last-named clause it would remain understood
that Great Britain would continue the negotiations for the abolition of the Capitulations
with the foreign Powers, and to what extent they should be conducted in consultation
with Egypt would remain to be settled.
Adly Pasha An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders. agreed, but said that no basis for such consultation had been
determined
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Mr. Lindsay said that what Adly Pasha An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders. meant was that he wanted it definitely
laid down in black and white that there should be some form of co-ordination as far
as these negotiations were concerned.
Adly Pasha An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders. agreed
Mr. Lindsay then reminded him that when he had taken office a draft treaty was
shown to him. It had not been shown to the previous Government for the reason that
that Government had been one merely of affairs.
Adly Pasha An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders. said that he thought -they would have no objection to offer to the
negotiations being continued. It was obviously in the interest both of Egypt and of
Great Britain to proceed in agreement, as eventually effect would have to be given to
the Capitulations conventions by the promulgation of an Egyptian law.
Mr. Lindsay said that by deferring the question of the Capitulations special
articles in the Milner Report would be affected. Besides, the definition of the Judicial.
Commissioner which the delegation had suggested would be modified, and, indeed, the
whole basis of many of their observations. It would, however, be necessary to consider
whether all or part of clause 8 of the Milner Memorandum would have to go into the
treaty as enunciating general principles. He added that the third and fourth
reservations formulated by the delegation had been met by what he had already said.
As regards the fifth reservation, he would sooner pass it over in silence for the