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'Files 61/12 and 61/16 (D 80) Treaty between Bin Saud and H. M. Govt' [171r] (348/408)
The record is made up of 1 volume (200 folios). It was created in 19 Apr 1923-10 Mar 1930. It was written in English. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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should be discussed in committee by his advisers and Mr. Antonius, after which
another interview would be held between Ibn Saud and Sir G. Clayton.'
In the afternoon oi the same day the King had a private and personal interview
with Sir G. Clayton, and agreement was reached on the question of manumission and
that of the Hejaz-Trans-Jordan frontier. In each case it was agreed to deal with
the points at issue by means of an exchange of letters in terms to be drafted bv
Sir G. Clayton.
1th Meeting.
The seventh meeting took place at the mission's house, at 8-30 a.m ., on the
18th May, 1927.
Sir G. Clayton opened the proceedings by informing Ibn Saud that he had
received from him a letter on the previous evening which had caused him some
surprise, as it indicated that His Majesty regarded as vital various entirely new
points, which had been raised by his advisers in sub-committee and which in certain
cases represented requests to which His Majesty's Government would be unable to
accede. Sir G. Clayton added that he had hoped, after the satisfactory personal con
versations which he had had with His Majesty on the previous day, that all the major
points had now been settled.
His Majesty replied to the effect that the letter in question had been written and
signed before his personal interview with Sir G. Clayton, after which he had
endeavoured to recall it but had not been in time to do so.
Sir G. Clayton replied that he had felt sure that there was some satisfactory
explanation of the letter, which did not quite harmonise with the excellent tone of
the conversations up to date.
Before dealing with the various points in detail. Sir G. Clayton emphasised the
fact that the negotiations for a treaty were taking place in consequence of a direct
request made by Ibn Saud, and not at the instance of His Majesty's Government.
He also pointed out that the draft which he had now brought with him had been
framed after very careful consideration of the results of the discussions at
Wadi
A seasonal or intermittent watercourse, or the valley in which it flows.
al 'Aqiq, and that it was somewhat surprising to find a number of new points
being raised which did not appear in the last draft submitted by Ibn Saud to
Mr. Jordan.
In connection with the proposed article 6, Sir G. Clayton stated that he was
unable to agree to any extension of its provisions. The article as it stood represented
a great concession, and His Majesty's Government could not go as far as to admit
that all British subjects should be tried by local courts. He strongly recommended
the King to accept the clause as a considerable advance towards the ultimate object
at which he was aiming.
The King then propounded various hypothetical cases to illustrate the difficulty
in which he was placed owing to his courts not being fully recognised, to which
Sir G. Clayton replied that His Majesty's Government was unable to advance further
at present and cases such as had been quoted would have to be dealt with on their
merits.
After considerable discussion. His Majesty stated that he must defer his decision
pending further consideration, to which Sir G. Clayton replied that he could not
change the attitude which he had taken up.
Sir G. Clayton then stated that it appeared to him that the suggested addition
to article 4, which treated of the security of pilgrims, had now been dealt with under
article 6, but Ibn Saud continued to urge that the. word "subject " should be substi
tuted for the word " pilgrim," thereby greatly extending the scope of the article.
Sir G. Clayton was unable to accept this proposal, pointing out that the article
was merely designed to deal with the special case of pilgrims. He added, with some
sharpness, that the draft which he had presented as representing the final views of
His Majesty's Government had been based on a careful study of the results achieved
at
Wadi
A seasonal or intermittent watercourse, or the valley in which it flows.
al 'Aqiq. and that His Majesty's Government had not expected that a
number of new points would be raised which had never even been mentioned in the
course of the discussions with Mr. Jordan. . .
In regard to clause 3, Sir G. Clayton insisted on the retention of the word
" undertake" in the first part of the article, but agreed to the insertion of the word
" notifies " in the clause which deals with the safety of pilgrims and their property.
Sir G Clayton agreed to certain minor modifications of wording asked for by
Ibn Saud.
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The volume mostly consists of correspondence concerning the relations between Britain and Ibn Sa'ud, with a specific focus on the negotiation and signing of the Treaty of Jeddah. The majority of the correspondence is between the British Legation in Jeddah and the Foreign and Colonial Offices in London. Copies were often sent to the Political Residency An office of the East India Company and, later, of the British Raj, established in the provinces and regions considered part of, or under the influence of, British India. in Bushire, the Political Agencies in Bahrain and Kuwait, and the High Commissioners in Baghdad and Jerusalem.
The volume follows the evolution of the Treaty:
- Britain's initial reluctance, due to their official friendship with King Hussein, to engage with the issue prior to Ibn Sa'ud's conquest of the Hejaz;
- how this event then gave cause for the Bahra and Hadda agreements of November 1925;
- the negotiations between Ibn Sa'ud and Gilbert Clayton in early 1927 leading to the signing of the Treaty of Jeddah on 20 May that year and its ratification in August.
At the end of the volume (folios192-196) is Clayton's final report on his mission to the Hejaz and includes a copy of the Treaty.
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- 1 volume (200 folios)
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The volume is arranged chronologically.
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Foliation: the sequence starts on the first folio and continues through to the inside back cover. The numbering is written in pencil, circled and written in the top right corner of each folio. There are the following irregularities: ff 1A-1C; f 185A; ff 78-84 are those of a booklet, stored in an envelope (f 77A). There is a second sequence that is also written in pencil but is not circled and is inconsistent.
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- 'Files 61/12 and 61/16 (D 80) Treaty between Bin Saud and H. M. Govt'
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- front, back, spine, edge, head, tail, front-i, 1ar:1cv, 2r:77v, 77ar:77av, 84r:107v, 109r:124v, 126v:153v, 155r:185v, 185ar:185av, 186r:189r, 191v:193v, 195v:199v, back
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