File of printed papers marked 'Egyptian negotiation' between Curzon and Adly Pasha and the Egyptian delegation [30r] (59/178)
The record is made up of 1 file (87 folios). It was created in 13 Jul 1921-4 Jan 1923. It was written in English. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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Alexandria naturally cause alarm. In the future they might become impossible and the
disposition of troops would be arranged accordingly.
Adly
Pasha
An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders.
requested that Lord Curzon would furnish the delegation with a short
note embodying his views upon this question, and Lord Curzon promised to do so.
Adly added that it was most important from the point of view of Egyptian
sentiment that anything on this subject should be as precise and definite as possible.
Lord Curzon said that he was willing to discuss the matter further, but that he
should say at once that the suggestion that troops should be confined to the Canal zone
was one that could not be entertained.
Adly said that in Egypt it was still believed that British forces w T ere really needed
to guard interior communicati ms, and that if it was thought necessary to guard
aerodromes this would involve the presence of troops at Cairo and Alexandria, where
the two chief aerodromes were situated.
Lord Curzon said that the aerodromes must be guarded.
Adly suggested that new ones should be built.
Lord Curzon said that this seemed unnecessary as they had two excellent ones
already, and that in matters of this kind expediency, not sentiment, must be the
main consideration. Similarly, troops must be placed where there were barracks.
Adly
Pasha
An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders.
suggested that they should not be to too great an extent the slaves
of what exists, and that the sentiments of the people must be taken into consideration.
He enquired whether military arrangements could not be considered as of a temporary
nature.
Lord Curzon replied that he did not think so. It might be necessary now to place
troops where it would not be necessary to have them in the future, and it would no
doubt be possible to find some formula whereby revision of any arrangements could be
allowed for, but he. did not wish it to be thought that he contemplated the possibility
of the complete withdrawal of British troops from Egypt within any time limit.
Lord Curzon then referred to the question of the employment of foreign officials
other than British in Egypt. He was assured by both Adly and Bushdi that there
was no disposition in Egypt to replace British officials by other foreigners, and that no
party would propose to do so.
Adly said that he was willing to enter into an understanding on this point.
Lord Curzon said that the difficulty with regard to understandings was that they
did not bind subsequent Governments ; that this was a matter concerning which there
was considerable feeling in England, and that he would like to have some guarantee on
the subject inserted in the treaty.
Adly said that they were agreed in principle and that it might be inserted in a
protocol.
Lord Curzon said that he would prefer to have it in the treaty.
Finallv, Lord Curzon referred to the position of the High Commissioner, and
enquired whether they would desire to have an Egyptian High Commissioner in
London.
Adly said that the question of the title of the High Commissioner had been
frequently discussed with Lord Milner, and that Egyptians objected to the title as
associated with the protectorate.
Lord Curzon replied that it had always been assumed that he would be called the
High Commissioner, which was the proper title for such an official.
” It was arranged to hold another meeting on the following day at 4'15 p.m.
Dear Abdel Hamed Bey, Foreign Office, July 13, 1021.
I enclose a copy of the note on the British forces in Egypt which Lord Curzon
promised to send to the Egyptian official delegation during the conference to-day.
Yours very truly,
J. MURRAY.
His Excellency,
Abdel Hamed Bey,
Carlton Hotel,
Pull Mall, S.W. 1.
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The file contains correspondence, minutes, and memoranda relating to negotiations between the British and Egyptian governments over Egyptian independence. Most of the file consists of minutes of conferences that took place at the Foreign Office during July and August 1921. These conferences involved an Egyptian delegation, led by Sir Adly Yeghen [Yakan] Pasha An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders. , and the British, led by the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, Lord George Nathaniel Curzon. Matters covered in these meetings included: the termination of the British Protectorate, Britain's military presence, foreign relations, legislation, employment of foreign officials, financial and judicial control, Soudan [Sudan], the Suez Canal, communication rights, protection of minorities, retirement and compensation of British officials, and diplomatic relations between the two countries.
Also contained within the file are minutes by Ronald Charles Lindsay and John Murray, both Foreign Office officials, and correspondence between Curzon, Lindsay, Adly Pasha An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders. , and Field Marshal Edmund Henry Hynman Allenby, High Commissioner for Egypt and Sudan. These papers all concern matters covered by the negotiations.
Documents of note include a copy of the Report of the Special Mission to Egypt, dated 9 December 1920 (folios 4-23), and a memorandum on the political situation in Egypt by John Murray, dated 4 January 1923 (folios 74-87).
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- 1 file (87 folios)
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The file is arranged in rough chronological order, from the front to the rear. On the inside front cover is a manuscript index with a numbered list of the file's contents.
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Foliation: the main foliation sequence (used for referencing) commences at the front cover with 1, and terminates at the inside back cover with 89; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio. An additional foliation sequence is present in parallel between ff 2-87; these numbers are also written in pencil, but are not circled.
Pagination: the file also contains an original printed pagination sequence.
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