File of printed papers marked 'Egyptian negotiation' between Curzon and Adly Pasha and the Egyptian delegation [19v] (38/178)
The record is made up of 1 file (87 folios). It was created in 13 Jul 1921-4 Jan 1923. It was written in English. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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other to watch the administration of the laws as affecting foreigners. The functions
of these officials are only described in general terms in the memorandum, and the
scope ot their authority will have to be very carefully defined in drafting the Treaty.
Here again we had to content ourselves with agreement in principle and to leave
details to be settled in future negotiations.
The same applies to the clause (IV, § 7) which gives the British representative in
Egypt the right, in certain cases, to prevent the application of Egyptian laws to
foreigners. This proposal was much discussed. The delegates were very anxious
to avoid this right being converted into a general veto on Egyptian legislation. We,
on our side, did not desire this. But the exact limits of the right were difficult to
agree upon, and for this reason a Iter native solutions are suggested in the memorandum,
The subject, indeed, is extremely complicated. But, stripped of technicalities, what
it all comes to is this. The Egyptian Government is hampered at every turn by its
inability to make laws applicable to the subjects of foreign Powers which have
capitulatory rights in Egypt without the consent of those Powers, though that
consent may in some cases be given on their behalf by the General Assembly of the
Mixed Tribunals. As already explained, it has always been the aim of British
policy, and it is part of the scheme contemplated in the memorandum, greatly to
diminish the restrictions thus imposed on the legislative authority of the Egyptian
Government. But it would be practically impossible, and it is not proposed, to
remove these restrictions altogether. In so far as they are maintained, somebody
must have the right to exercise them. In the scheme embodied in the memorandum
it is contemplated that that right, intended as it is to safeguard the legitimate
interests of all foreigners, should be conferred by Egypt on a single Power—Great
Britain.
1 ).—The Sudan.
The scheme embodied in the memorandum deals only with Egypt. It has no
application to the Sudan, a countrv entirely distinct from Egypt in its character
and constitution, the status of which is not, like that of Egypt, still indeterminate,
but has been clearly defined by the Anglo-Egyptian Convention of the 19th January,
1899.* For that reason the subject of the Sudan was deliberately excluded from all our
discussions with the delegates. This was all along clearly understood by them, but,
in order to prevent any misunderstanding in Egypt of the scope of our discussions,
Lord Milner, when transmitting the memorandum to Adli
Pasha
An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders.
, also handed him
the following letter : —
“ My dear
Pasha
An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders.
, August 18, 1920.
“ Referring to our conversation of yesterday, I should like once more to repeat
that no part of the memorandum which I am now sending you is intended to have
any application to the Sudan. This is, I think, evident on the face of the document,
but, to avoid any possibility of future misunderstanding, it seems desirable to place
on record the view of the Mission that the subject of the Sudan, which has never been
discussed between us and Zaghlul
Pasha
An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders.
and his friends, lies quite outside the scope
of the proposed agreement with regard to Egypt. There is a wide difference of
conditions between the two countries, and in our opinion they must be dealt with on
different lines.
“ The Sudan has made great progress under its existing administration, which
is based on the provisions of the Convention of 1899, and no change in the political
status of Egypt should be allowed to disturb the further development of the Sudan
on a system which has been productive of such good results.
“ On the other hand, we fully realise the vital interest of Egypt in the supply of
water reaching her through the Sudan, and we intend to make proposals calculated
♦This Convention, which was signed by the Egyptian Minister for Foreign Affairs and Lord
Cromer, laid it down that Great Britain was “ by right of conquest ” entitled “ to share in the settle
ment and future working and development ” of the Sudan. By the acceptance of this principle any
claim of Turkey to suzerainty over the Sudan was disallowed, and that country was definitely excluded
from the area subject to the regime of the Capitulations. It was accordingly provided in the Convention
that the jurisdiction of the Mixed Tribunals should “ not extend to or be recognised in any part of
the Sudan,” and that no foreign consuls should reside in the country without the consent of the
British Government. The supreme military and civil power was to be vested in the person of a
“ Governor-General,” who would be appointed on the recommendation of the British Government by
a decree of the Khedive of Egypt, and whose proclamations would have the force of law.
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The file contains correspondence, minutes, and memoranda relating to negotiations between the British and Egyptian governments over Egyptian independence. Most of the file consists of minutes of conferences that took place at the Foreign Office during July and August 1921. These conferences involved an Egyptian delegation, led by Sir Adly Yeghen [Yakan] Pasha An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders. , and the British, led by the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, Lord George Nathaniel Curzon. Matters covered in these meetings included: the termination of the British Protectorate, Britain's military presence, foreign relations, legislation, employment of foreign officials, financial and judicial control, Soudan [Sudan], the Suez Canal, communication rights, protection of minorities, retirement and compensation of British officials, and diplomatic relations between the two countries.
Also contained within the file are minutes by Ronald Charles Lindsay and John Murray, both Foreign Office officials, and correspondence between Curzon, Lindsay, Adly Pasha An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders. , and Field Marshal Edmund Henry Hynman Allenby, High Commissioner for Egypt and Sudan. These papers all concern matters covered by the negotiations.
Documents of note include a copy of the Report of the Special Mission to Egypt, dated 9 December 1920 (folios 4-23), and a memorandum on the political situation in Egypt by John Murray, dated 4 January 1923 (folios 74-87).
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- 1 file (87 folios)
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The file is arranged in rough chronological order, from the front to the rear. On the inside front cover is a manuscript index with a numbered list of the file's contents.
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Foliation: the main foliation sequence (used for referencing) commences at the front cover with 1, and terminates at the inside back cover with 89; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio. An additional foliation sequence is present in parallel between ff 2-87; these numbers are also written in pencil, but are not circled.
Pagination: the file also contains an original printed pagination sequence.
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