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Coll 28/95 ‘Persia. Relations with H.M.G. Private claims against H.M.G.: case of the S.S. “Kara Deniz”.’ [‎219r] (437/691)

The record is made up of 1 file (343 folios). It was created in 29 Oct 1927-10 Feb 1938. It was written in English and French. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .

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in the beginning of August. The Turks were detaining ships by the end of
August. My ships were not taken over entirely for the transport of troops
in August. The Turks wanted to*take them but the Persian Embassy inter
fered. When I left Constantinople I thought the Kara Deniz had left
Bombay for Busrah. I had communication with the British Embassy when 5
I heard from the Captain he could not leave Bombay. L3. The Persian
Consul went to the British Consul and there was correspondence with London
and I heard about the 18th or 19th October that communication had been sent
from London to allow the ship to leave Bombay. The Persian Consul told me
that the British Consul had told him that a wire had been sent to London 13
about letting the ship go. Before the 21st October I heard nothing more
about the ship being released. L3 was the last telegram I got from the
Captain before I left except L 6 . I thought the ship would sail from Bombay.
When I left Constantinople I thought the ship was in Bombay. I had heard
nothing definite about the ship being allowed to sail. I did nothing until I got 15
the Persian Consul to send a telegram on 15th November. I expected
to take delivery in Bombay because I was to pay the crew, and the Persian
Flag was to be hoisted. There was nobody in Bombay to take delivery on my
behalf. But the Captain would follow my orders when he got them. I had
heard of the Shirazis. I had nothing to do with them. They were never my 20
agents. I was to pay <£360 a month, for wages from the 15th August. I sent
£1,000 because the Captain was asking for it. I got the money from jny safe.
Also the £500. I had collected money from my business. My book will show
the payments. They are not here. I was anxious for the ship to go to Busrah
to get cargo for Jeddah and Constantinople. The ship was to go with the 25
same Turkish Officers and crew. The Captain of the other ships are Greeks.
The Officers and crew are of various nationalities. I knew on the 1st Novem
ber war had broken between Turkey and the Allies.
I produce the telegram about the Teheran sailing from Persia to Fez.
I sent my man to Constantinople by the first boat to fetch my family. 30
The Kara Deniz was to be run by my agency An office of the East India Company and, later, of the British Raj, headed by an agent. firm in the same way as the
other ships.
lie-examined by INVERARITY—
If I got to Constantinople I would try and get my ship to Piraeus. I have
some immoveable property and some cash there. I don t want to trade there 35
while war continues. When I changed my nationality many other Greeks in
Turkey did the same. Prior to that they had not been liable to serve. W e
thought it easier to become Persian subjects. Bachrato is a Greek although a
Turkish subject. My ships have always been transporting troops for the last
5 years if Government required that. About the end of August it became 40
compulsory. The documents I have produced relating to 4 other ships mention
my other partners.
Before I left Piraeus I had made arrangements for Greek Officers to come
out. I made an application to the Bombay Government for permission for
them to land. ' t 45
21 Correspondence with Government in January 1915.
22 Telegram sent on 9th January to Port Said.
23 Letter from Bashra to 30th October 1914.
I told my Solicitors about my transferring land to someone in Turkey in
order to effect the purchase of the ship. I didn’t want it to be mentioned in 50
Court. I am afraid about my relatives in Constantinople.
24 I have received three telegrams from my agent at Piraeus.
13th and 19th February.
To COURT—
I kept the accounts of the 7 steamers separate. It could be seen from 55
the books how much was due to each steamer out of the money due by the
Turkish Government.

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Correspondence, reports and other papers relating to the case of the SS Kara Deniz , a Turkish-owned steamship that was claimed as prize by the British Government at the moment of the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the First World War, while the vessel was moored at Bombay [Mumbai]. The papers focus on a financial claim made against the British Government by the vessel’s Greek owners, Socrates Atychides and Theodore Vahratoglou, based on the argument that the vessel had been sold to Persian owners before it was claimed as prize.

The file includes: correspondence beginning in 1927 and exchanged between the Foreign Office, India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. and Government of India, responding to the Government of Persia’s desire to conclude the claim being pursued by Atychides against the British Government; discussion of whether the Kara Deniz was detained prior to or after the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the War; accounts detailing the seizure of the Kara Deniz , including a 1928 note entitled ‘A brief account of the circumstances attending the alleged detention at Bombay of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” prior to her capture as a prize vessel in 1914’ (ff 323-330), and another note entitled ‘Diary of certain events relating to the detention of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” at Bombay in 1914” (ff 151-152); copies of correspondence (some in French) from Atychides; a printed copy of the court proceedings at the High Court of Judicature at Bombay, Admiralty and Vice-Admiralty Jurisdiction, entitled ‘Case No. 3 of 1914. In Prize. Steamship “Kara Deniz.”’ (ff 189-246); discussion of the claim in relation to other outstanding claims and disputes to be settled between the British and Persian Governments; a report prepared by HM Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary A diplomatic representative who ranks below an ambassador. The term can be shortened to 'envoy'. at Tehran, Reginald Hervey Hoare, dated 1935, entitled ‘British claims against Persia’ (ff 84-109).

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1 file (343 folios)
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The papers are arranged in approximate chronological order from the rear to the front of the file.

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Foliation: the foliation sequence (used for referencing) commences at the inside front cover with 1, and terminates at the last folio with 345; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio.

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