Coll 28/95 ‘Persia. Relations with H.M.G. Private claims against H.M.G.: case of the S.S. “Kara Deniz”.’ [216v] (432/691)
The record is made up of 1 file (343 folios). It was created in 29 Oct 1927-10 Feb 1938. It was written in English and French. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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4 . Whether the ship was detained by Grovernment in Bombay prior to
her capture.
5. Whether, if so, such detention was not lawful.
6 . Whether the claimant in these proceedings is entitled to claim any
damages /or such detention, and if so what. 5
7. Whether the claimant is entitled to any and, if so, what damages for
the detention of the ship since her capture. . f
8 . Whether Government are not entitled to the expenses to w T hich they
have been put since her capture.
Issues 1, 2 & 3 can be tried first. ' io
Affidavit regarding ship’s Papers 19th November.
Depositions of ship officers, with exhibits as marked by the Registrar.
I submit that shows the ship was Turkish at any rate upto 15th August .
and the onus is on the claimant to show 7 there was a valid transfer.
Transfer must be valid according to Turkish and Persian Law. 15
INVERARITY—
I may have to apply for a commission to ascertain what is the Turkish
Law 7 .
Real issue is whether there was a bond fide transfer.
Took place on 15th August. 20
As to Commercial domicile.
Declaration of London 1909.
23rd September 1914, Government of India Notification, Chapter Y,
Art. 55, Art. 57.
On 15th August the vessel entitled to fly a neutral flag. 25
Claimant born in Constantinople but became a Persian subject and
obtained a
firman
A Persian word meaning a royal order or decree issued by a sovereign, used notably in the Ottoman Empire (sometimes written ‘phirmaund’).
to that effect.
Documents shew he is recognized as a Persian subject by Persian Govern
ment.* ,
Carries on business in steamers wdiich are named after Persian town.
June or July thought of buying two or three steamers. Negotiations fell through.
Broker
Often a local commercial agent in the Gulf who regularly performed duties of intelligence gathering and political representation.
Willis. Then negotiated for purchase of “ Karadeniz ” and another
steamer.
Concluded on 15th August.
<£15,000 paid to sellers. £T10,000 set off money owed by sellers to the
Persian Co.
Certificate of Persian Consul at Constantinople 2/15 August 1914. Same
day telegram sent by Persian Consul Constantinople to Persian Consul at
Hodeidah, and by selling Company to their agent at Hodeidah.
1 24th August. Hodeidah agent wires to Captain Bombay. I sent the
telegram to # Hodeidah on the 19th.
Claimant speaks Greek. Greek Interpreter sworn.
SOCRATES ATYCHIDES examine /1 by Inverarity.
I claim the “ Karadeniz ” as my profferty. At the time of purchase I ws
canymg on business at Constantinople. I had some partners for financh
purposes. I owmed 7 other steamers in the name of Atychides and Bachrat<
They w 7 ere named after towns in Persia. lam an orthodox Greek born i
Constantinople. I have become a Persian subject since 3 | years by Imperk
Firman
A Persian word meaning a royal order or decree issued by a sovereign, used notably in the Ottoman Empire (sometimes written ‘phirmaund’).
. The document is at Teheran. I received a passport.
I produce it.
Th J^y steamers aU fly the Persian flag, since I became a Persian subjec
They used to ply between Batoum and Constantinople. They carry mails fc
the Russian Government. They also carry pilgrims to Jeddah. In 1914 I w 7 a
trunking of buying two more steamers to trade to the
Persian Gulf
The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran.
I tried t
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Correspondence, reports and other papers relating to the case of the SS Kara Deniz , a Turkish-owned steamship that was claimed as prize by the British Government at the moment of the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the First World War, while the vessel was moored at Bombay [Mumbai]. The papers focus on a financial claim made against the British Government by the vessel’s Greek owners, Socrates Atychides and Theodore Vahratoglou, based on the argument that the vessel had been sold to Persian owners before it was claimed as prize.
The file includes: correspondence beginning in 1927 and exchanged between the Foreign Office, India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. and Government of India, responding to the Government of Persia’s desire to conclude the claim being pursued by Atychides against the British Government; discussion of whether the Kara Deniz was detained prior to or after the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the War; accounts detailing the seizure of the Kara Deniz , including a 1928 note entitled ‘A brief account of the circumstances attending the alleged detention at Bombay of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” prior to her capture as a prize vessel in 1914’ (ff 323-330), and another note entitled ‘Diary of certain events relating to the detention of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” at Bombay in 1914” (ff 151-152); copies of correspondence (some in French) from Atychides; a printed copy of the court proceedings at the High Court of Judicature at Bombay, Admiralty and Vice-Admiralty Jurisdiction, entitled ‘Case No. 3 of 1914. In Prize. Steamship “Kara Deniz.”’ (ff 189-246); discussion of the claim in relation to other outstanding claims and disputes to be settled between the British and Persian Governments; a report prepared by HM Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary A diplomatic representative who ranks below an ambassador. The term can be shortened to 'envoy'. at Tehran, Reginald Hervey Hoare, dated 1935, entitled ‘British claims against Persia’ (ff 84-109).
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Foliation: the foliation sequence (used for referencing) commences at the inside front cover with 1, and terminates at the last folio with 345; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio.
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