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Coll 28/95 ‘Persia. Relations with H.M.G. Private claims against H.M.G.: case of the S.S. “Kara Deniz”.’ [161r] (321/691)
The record is made up of 1 file (343 folios). It was created in 29 Oct 1927-10 Feb 1938. It was written in English and French. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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occurred during the occupation of Persian soil by foreign
troops.
9. 1 should then apparently be obliged to tell them
(see Lord Monteagle’s letter E 1776/642/34 of April 11th,
1929, to Sir Robert Clive) that it must be understood that
no prize cases could be submitted to the commission. The
Persian Government would presumably respond by declining to
have a claims article in the treaty at all, or else by
suggesting an article washing out all claims on either side.
10. If this last suggestion were accepted it would mean
that the chances, such as they were, of securing payment for
the British claimants, some of whom at any rate have claims
which are good both morally and legally, had been surrendered
in order to avoid a counter-claim which is either (a) good
or (b) bad. If the counter-claim is good the British
claimants would (whether they realised the fact or not) be
in the position of having paid for its withdrawal: in other
words of having made their fellow tax-payers a present of
many thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, of pounds.
If it is bad, they would not even have tills vicarious
consolation; their interests would have been sacrificed to
no purpose.
11. if, hov/ever, the suggestion of a mutual waiver were
refused, each side would be free to pursue its claims as
best it could. The Persian Government might then take the
Atychides case to the League of Nations. So far as the
prize law issue was concerned, 1 understand that His Majesty’s
Government could refuse to submit to a fresh investigation
on the ground that the case had been heard by British courts
applying international law and was chose jugee . But the
question of the detention of the ’’Kara Leniz” at Bombqy prior
to the outbreak of war with Turkey on November 5th, 1914,
might not be so easy to explain, and this, with Monsieur
Atychides’/
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Correspondence, reports and other papers relating to the case of the SS Kara Deniz , a Turkish-owned steamship that was claimed as prize by the British Government at the moment of the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the First World War, while the vessel was moored at Bombay [Mumbai]. The papers focus on a financial claim made against the British Government by the vessel’s Greek owners, Socrates Atychides and Theodore Vahratoglou, based on the argument that the vessel had been sold to Persian owners before it was claimed as prize.
The file includes: correspondence beginning in 1927 and exchanged between the Foreign Office, India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. and Government of India, responding to the Government of Persia’s desire to conclude the claim being pursued by Atychides against the British Government; discussion of whether the Kara Deniz was detained prior to or after the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the War; accounts detailing the seizure of the Kara Deniz , including a 1928 note entitled ‘A brief account of the circumstances attending the alleged detention at Bombay of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” prior to her capture as a prize vessel in 1914’ (ff 323-330), and another note entitled ‘Diary of certain events relating to the detention of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” at Bombay in 1914” (ff 151-152); copies of correspondence (some in French) from Atychides; a printed copy of the court proceedings at the High Court of Judicature at Bombay, Admiralty and Vice-Admiralty Jurisdiction, entitled ‘Case No. 3 of 1914. In Prize. Steamship “Kara Deniz.”’ (ff 189-246); discussion of the claim in relation to other outstanding claims and disputes to be settled between the British and Persian Governments; a report prepared by HM Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary A diplomatic representative who ranks below an ambassador. The term can be shortened to 'envoy'. at Tehran, Reginald Hervey Hoare, dated 1935, entitled ‘British claims against Persia’ (ff 84-109).
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- 1 file (343 folios)
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The papers are arranged in approximate chronological order from the rear to the front of the file.
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Foliation: the foliation sequence (used for referencing) commences at the inside front cover with 1, and terminates at the last folio with 345; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio.
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- Coll 28/95 ‘Persia. Relations with H.M.G. Private claims against H.M.G.: case of the S.S. “Kara Deniz”.’
- Pages
- front, front-i, 2r:109v, 114r:117v, 121r:134v, 136r:137v, 141r:166v, 169r:170v, 173r:184v, 186r:192v, 209r:209v, 211r:211v, 213r, 214r:215v, 223r:229v, 230v:233v, 243v:267v, 280r:287v, 291r:302v, 304r:323v, 325r:325v, 327r:327v, 330r:341v, 345r:345v, back
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