Coll 28/95 ‘Persia. Relations with H.M.G. Private claims against H.M.G.: case of the S.S. “Kara Deniz”.’ [86r] (171/691)
The record is made up of 1 file (343 folios). It was created in 29 Oct 1927-10 Feb 1938. It was written in English and French. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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7. In Annex V the Legation assess the total value of the Legation or Tehran
claims at 4,746,364 krans, £483,458, 70,417
rupees
Indian silver coin also widely used in the Persian Gulf.
, and 6,962-40 dollars. The
investigation made here, as shown above, makes the total 5,447,415-20 krans,
£345,413 35. §d., 70,417-10
rupees
Indian silver coin also widely used in the Persian Gulf.
, and 6.962 -40 dollars. Some of this difference
may be accounted for by the fact that many claimants claim in krans, with a
sterling equivalent; some by the inclusion or non-inclusion of interest; and some
by the elimination of a few claims that are unsound. In either case the amount
is large, but the figures are necessarily provisional. In some instances interest
at a high rate is claimed; in others at a less rate; in others not at all. Precise
documentary evidence of the losses alleged to have been sustained is not furnished,
except in certain cases of outrages during the war and in the claim of
Mr. T. Casey. One claim (No. 13 in the Legation schedule) for extensive high
way robberies in 1910 is not valued, the claimants, it is said, not having yet
formulated their claims, which may yet be presented by underwriters; while in
another (No. 31 in the Legation schedule), the Legation surmise that part may
have been paid out of Bushire surplus customs revenues during the British
occupation of that port.
8. Of the claims, as classified in paragraph 6 above—
(1) Highway robberies are dealt with more fully hereafter in
paragraphs 45-50.
(2) and (3) War claims in paragraphs 51-56.
(4) Investigation shows to be somewhat weak on principles underlying
international law.
(5) There is no precise evidence of Mrs. Rizzo’s losses.
(6) The largest is more than doubtful, and has been characterised here in
the past as somewhat absurd.
(7) While committed on Persian territory, depends to an extent whether
Turks or Persians committed the outrage.
(8) There seems ground for thinking this claim was extinguished in
1913-14.
(9) Sir W. Haig afterwards offered to take £2,500.
(10) and (11) These are obscure cases in which there is no sufficient evidence
furnished to show Persian liability.
(12), (13) and (14) These are more important claims concerning which there
is correspondence here.
9. It will be seen, therefore, that the Legation claims, as detailed at length
in the separate volume Legation Claims, are in some instances open to question,
and are in most cases unaccompanied by any precise documentary evidence of the
losses alleged to have been incurred. In the circumstances it would be difficult to
frame any estimate of their intrinsic values, and, consequently, of the total of such
values. The figures given above can but represent the total of the various amounts
claimed, and these, so far as one can judge, are sometimes based on generous
estimates. This lack of documentary evidence is commented on later in
paragraphs 31-36.
10. Of claims marked in the Legation schedule as settled, it is noted that—
One case (Mr. Hubbard) for wounding, was settled in 1917 by a payment
of £2,000 from the Seistan Grain Account.
Three cases (one for murder in 1915, and two for highway robberies in
1921-22) were settled by the Indo-European Telegraph Department by pay
ments of in all 290,770-75 krans from their Terminal Rate and Traffic
Accounts; to which the Persian Government seemingly assented.
Three cases (for cotton appropriated by Germans in 1915, for robbery
and wounding in 1918, and a part payment for Shiraz outrages in 1915) were
settled by payments of 98,954 krans out of Sir P. Sykes’s Fines Account.
Nine cases (mainly for loss of life and wounding at Shiraz, Bushire and
Isfahan in 1915) were settled by payments of £21,064 115 . and 387,500 krans
out of Bushire revenues during British occupation, while it is said (under
Claim No. 31), that others may have been.
It appears, therefore, that some important claims (noted in the volume
Legation Claims), were either compulsorily settled by us during the war period
out of Persian funds; or otherwise, with the apparent assent of the Persian
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Correspondence, reports and other papers relating to the case of the SS Kara Deniz , a Turkish-owned steamship that was claimed as prize by the British Government at the moment of the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the First World War, while the vessel was moored at Bombay [Mumbai]. The papers focus on a financial claim made against the British Government by the vessel’s Greek owners, Socrates Atychides and Theodore Vahratoglou, based on the argument that the vessel had been sold to Persian owners before it was claimed as prize.
The file includes: correspondence beginning in 1927 and exchanged between the Foreign Office, India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. and Government of India, responding to the Government of Persia’s desire to conclude the claim being pursued by Atychides against the British Government; discussion of whether the Kara Deniz was detained prior to or after the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the War; accounts detailing the seizure of the Kara Deniz , including a 1928 note entitled ‘A brief account of the circumstances attending the alleged detention at Bombay of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” prior to her capture as a prize vessel in 1914’ (ff 323-330), and another note entitled ‘Diary of certain events relating to the detention of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” at Bombay in 1914” (ff 151-152); copies of correspondence (some in French) from Atychides; a printed copy of the court proceedings at the High Court of Judicature at Bombay, Admiralty and Vice-Admiralty Jurisdiction, entitled ‘Case No. 3 of 1914. In Prize. Steamship “Kara Deniz.”’ (ff 189-246); discussion of the claim in relation to other outstanding claims and disputes to be settled between the British and Persian Governments; a report prepared by HM Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary A diplomatic representative who ranks below an ambassador. The term can be shortened to 'envoy'. at Tehran, Reginald Hervey Hoare, dated 1935, entitled ‘British claims against Persia’ (ff 84-109).
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Foliation: the foliation sequence (used for referencing) commences at the inside front cover with 1, and terminates at the last folio with 345; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio.
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- Coll 28/95 ‘Persia. Relations with H.M.G. Private claims against H.M.G.: case of the S.S. “Kara Deniz”.’
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- front, front-i, 2r:109v, 114r:117v, 121r:134v, 136r:137v, 141r:166v, 169r:170v, 173r:184v, 186r:192v, 209r:209v, 211r:211v, 213r, 214r:215v, 223r:229v, 230v:233v, 243v:267v, 280r:287v, 291r:302v, 304r:323v, 325r:325v, 327r:327v, 330r:341v, 345r:345v, back
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