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Coll 6/21(1) 'Hejaz-Nejd: Relations with H.M.G.: Hejaz Legation in London and British Minister in Jeddah.' [231r] (472/914)
The record is made up of 1 volume (453 folios). It was created in 7 Sep 1927-10 Jan 1935. It was written in English. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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THIS DOCUMENT IS THE PROPERTY OF HIS BRITANNIC MAJESTY'S GOVERNMENT
EASTERN (Arabia).
CONFIDENTIAL.
[E 2404/1494/25]
, 2 r.) 4
May 13, 1932.
Section 1.
Record of Third Meeting icith the Hejaz-Nejd Delegation, held at the Foreign
Office on May 13, 1932, at 11-30 a.m.
Present.
Foreign Office.
Sir L. Oliphant {in the Chair).
Mr. G. W. Rendel
Mr. C. F. A. Warner.
Heja\z-Nejd Delegation.
The Hejazi Minister
Fuad Bey Hamza.
SIR L. OLIPHANT said that he was now in a position to reply, one
by one, to the points raised by Fuad Bey Hamza at the previous meeting; he hoped
that Fuad Bey would thereafter ask for any elucidation which he might desire.
I. He wished to confirm the assurance which he had given to the delegation
at the last meeting, that His Majesty’s Government desired, as in the past, the
most cordial and friendly relations with the Hejazi Government.
II. As regards a loan by His Majesty’s Government/it was quite out of the
question for them to meet the wishes of the Hejazi Government in the matter.
But arrangements had been made since the last meeting that luad Bey Hamza
should be received at the Bank of England, where he would be given explanations
as to the present financial situation in the city and could discuss the possibility
of a public loan or one by some reputable financial house. But in saying this he
did not desire to raise any false hopes. He had also spoken to the chairman oi
the Imperial Bank of Persia, and the chief manager of the bank, Mr. Lldred,
would be happy to see Fuad Bey and to explain to him the preliminaries necessary
before the flotation of a loan. But as the present time was most unprop!tious for
any financial ventures, Mr. Eldred would discuss the possibii y o e mp ^
Bank of Persia acting- as London correspondents ot the Hejazi Government
should this be desired. Sir L. Oliphant had also consulted f.^f^nv 1 chance
Treasury, who had confirmed his conviction that there was httle if any, cha
of a loan for the Hejazi Government being entertained m the City at the present
‘’“hll As regards the Haramein Wakfs, the
India Office
The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors.
had telegraphed to
the Government of India, with special reference to the . b ^® stS r ^ed h
had died in Java, the case to which FuadBey Hamza had spemfieal v d t
The Colonial Office had also consulted the Government of Palestine about tne
Palestine \Vakfs, raised by Fuad Bey Hamza but "d Sd an
received was not clear. These two points would be actively pursued,
answer made to the Hejazi Government as soon as possible ^
told Fuad B^HamS 0e£nally thought |aUf “^tween the
between the Hejaz and JNejd ana mansjo relations between
Hejaz and Nejd and I‘]a q a] ™bbld make a vast difference in the^relations^b^a ^
the two countries; and while there were c °5 b ^^ pqllv
further study of the matter would be pursue jy the Heiaz and Nejd and
V. As regards the question f n f tl^at the
the Soviet Government, the opinion of _ 3 " suma bly very different from
view r s and tenets of the Soviet Governme ARdul Aziz^ thought fit, in spite
those of King Abdul Aziz. If, how eve g Q. overnmen t 5 it would, of
of this, to change his present P ol icy to „ ^ aies ty’ s Government would be in a
course, not be a matter upon which His IViajesty
position to feel aggrieved. .
Fuad Bey Hamza .said th . at A^Hif^
thanks for the assurances given by His Lviajesi>
communicate them to King Abdul Aziz.
[462 n—1]
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This volume concerns relations between the British Government and the Government of the Hejaz and Nejd (later Saudi Arabia).
The volume largely consists of copies of Foreign Office and Colonial Office correspondence. The correspondence near the beginning of the volume discusses Ibn Saud's [‘Abd al-‘Azīz bin ‘Abd al-Raḥmān bin Fayṣal Āl Sa‘ūd's] wish to enter into full diplomatic relations with the British Government. The Hejazi Government's proposal in 1929 to establish a legation in London is accompanied by a request for the British Government to raise the status of its Agency An office of the East India Company and, later, of the British Raj, headed by an agent. and Consulate in Jedda to the same status.
The subsequent correspondence in the volume discusses the following:
- The British Government's consideration (and acceptance) of Ibn Saud's proposal, and the appointment of Sir Andrew Ryan as His Majesty's Minister at the British Legation in Jedda in May 1930.
- Hafiz Wahba's appointment as Hejazi Minister in London in 1930.
- Complaints made by the Hejazi Ministry of Foreign Affairs, regarding Sir Andrew Ryan's attitude and conduct since his arrival in Jedda.
- Details of an Hejazi-Nejdi diplomatic mission to Europe (including visits to Italy, France, Britain, and the Netherlands), undertaken in May 1932 and headed by Amir Feisal [Fayṣal bin ‘Abd al-‘Azīz Āl Sa‘ūd], Hejazi Minister for Foreign Affairs (this part of the volume includes detailed accounts of the mission's meetings with Foreign Office officials during its visit to London).
- Sir Andrew Ryan's account of his meeting with Ibn Saud at Taif in July 1934, and their discussion of the 'blue line' (the frontier which marked the Ottoman Government's renunciation of its claims to Bahrain and Qatar, in the Anglo-Ottoman convention of 1913) and the Kuwait blockade.
- Details of several meetings held at the Foreign Office between Fuad Bey Hamza (Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs for Saudi Arabia), Sir Andrew Ryan and George William Rendel (Head of the Foreign Office's Eastern Department), during September 1934, regarding the 'blue line', the Kuwait blockade, and the future of the Treaty of Jedda (the treaty signed between Britain and Ibn Saud in 1927).
- Requests from the Italian Government for information regarding Fuad Bey Hamza's visit to London.
The volume features the following principal correspondents: His Majesty's Agent and Consul at Jedda, a position that was raised to His Majesty's Chargé d’Affaires to Jedda in late 1929 (Hugh Stonehewer Bird, William Linskill Bond, Cecil Gervase Hope Gill, and Albert Spencer Calvert successively); His Majesty's Minister at Jedda (Sir Andrew Ryan); His Majesty's Ambassador in Rome (Ronald William Graham); Ibn Saud; Amir Faisal; officials of the Hejazi/Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs; officials of the Foreign Office, the Colonial Office, and the India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. .
In addition to correspondence, the volume contains a copy of the minutes of a meeting of the Committee of Imperial Defence's Standing Official Sub-Committee for Questions Concerning the Middle East. The meeting, which took place in London on 8 November 1934, was primarily concerned with the settlement of the 'blue line' issue, the Saudi- Transjordan Used in three contexts: the geographical region to the east of the River Jordan (literally ‘across the River Jordan’); a British protectorate (1921-46); an independent political entity (1946-49) now known as Jordan frontier, and the Kuwait blockade.
The volume includes two dividers which give a list of correspondence references contained in the volume by year. These are placed at the back of the correspondence.
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- 1 volume (453 folios)
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The papers are arranged in approximate chronological order from the rear to the front of the file.
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Foliation: the foliation sequence for this description commences at the first folio with 1, and terminates at the last folio with 449; these numbers are written in pencil and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio. The front and back covers, along with the two leading and two ending flyleaves, have not been foliated.
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