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Coll 6/21(1) 'Hejaz-Nejd: Relations with H.M.G.: Hejaz Legation in London and British Minister in Jeddah.' [141r] (292/914)
The record is made up of 1 volume (453 folios). It was created in 7 Sep 1927-10 Jan 1935. It was written in English. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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THIS DOCUMENT IS T HE PROPERTY -OT HIS BKITHWjC MAJESTY'S GOVERNMENT
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EASTERN (Arabia).
CONFIDENTIAL.
September 21, 1934.
Section 1.
No. 1.
[E 5957/2429/25]
Record of Third Meeting with Fuad Bey Hamza held at the Foreign Office on .
September 21, 1934.
THE following were present:—
Mr. Rendel.
Fuad Bey Hamza, Deputy Saudi-Arabian Minister for Foreign Affairs..
Sheikh Hafiz Wahba, Saudi-Arabian Minister in London.
Sir A. Ryan.
Mr. Johnstone.
Mr. Rendel suggested that the meeting should consider in order the various
points to which Fuad Bey had referred at the end of the previous day’s meeting.
The first of these was the question of Aqaba and Maan. Mr. Rendel was not
altogether clear as to Fuad Bey’s object in raising this question. The present
position between the two Governments rested on the first exchange of notes signed
at the time of the conclusion of the Treaty of Jedda, which provided for the
maintenance of the de facto frontier. He understood that Fuad Bey had recently
stated to Sir A. Ryan at Jedda that the Saudi Government were not seeking to
disturb this arrangement.
Sir A. Ryan added that he understood that the Saudi Government main
tained their previous attitude of reserve towards this question, but that they did
not consider the present time propitious for reopening it.
Fuad Bey explained that for various reasons, both political and religious, his
Government were unable to accept the separation of the viqaba-Maan district
from the Hejaz. They would always be ready to discuss this question on this
basis, but if His Majesty’s Government did not consider the present moment
opportune for reopening it, the Saudi Government had on their side no wish to
raise it. Failing a further discussion and a new settlement, the Saudi Govern
ment were prepared to preserve the existing arrangement.
Mr. Rendel said that there would, of course, have been advantages—if there
were to be any general clearing up of outstanding questions-m reaching a
permanent settlement on this particular point also. 1 woii m nld be no
to establish a clear and definitive frontier in this area. u thp main issue
question of His Majesty’s Government modifying their att ^ de ^ ^ he “ ed
of the future of Aqaba and Maan, and if the haudi G ^ j 3 as i s
to consider any suggestion for a permanent an d e m iv advantage in
of the present de facto situation, there would cei a ^
r ” p ss. .h™ .. i» —nsstsstsass
definition of the frontier at various points on e carding Aqaba-
and Saudi Arabia. In view of what Tuad I amza i t
Transjordan
Used in three contexts: the geographical region to the east of the River Jordan (literally ‘across the River Jordan’); a British protectorate (1921-46); an independent political entity (1946-49) now known as Jordan
and
Maan sector of the frontier-* * the de facto ^ntiev heW^n ^jorua^ ^
the Hejaz—there would probably be no objec m Transiordan-Nejd sector
But these considerations need not apply m ie g a L i t ffes i n clearing up any
of the frontier, where there might well be certain advantages ^
local uncertainties. Mr. ^ 0 io ™dan authorities; but, speaking quite
point pending consultation with the Tra ] worth taking the opportunity
personally and unofficially, he thought lt irL h? n ^ oca i uncertainties that
of the proposed general settlement to try ^ dispose of any
might exist as to the precise definition o ne ^ n which had create d
Sir A. Ryan gave as instances of t H? ^ th Saudi Government
difficulty in this yirection, the fomer ATbeen acknowledged to be in
regarding the position of Haditna, w B
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This volume concerns relations between the British Government and the Government of the Hejaz and Nejd (later Saudi Arabia).
The volume largely consists of copies of Foreign Office and Colonial Office correspondence. The correspondence near the beginning of the volume discusses Ibn Saud's [‘Abd al-‘Azīz bin ‘Abd al-Raḥmān bin Fayṣal Āl Sa‘ūd's] wish to enter into full diplomatic relations with the British Government. The Hejazi Government's proposal in 1929 to establish a legation in London is accompanied by a request for the British Government to raise the status of its Agency An office of the East India Company and, later, of the British Raj, headed by an agent. and Consulate in Jedda to the same status.
The subsequent correspondence in the volume discusses the following:
- The British Government's consideration (and acceptance) of Ibn Saud's proposal, and the appointment of Sir Andrew Ryan as His Majesty's Minister at the British Legation in Jedda in May 1930.
- Hafiz Wahba's appointment as Hejazi Minister in London in 1930.
- Complaints made by the Hejazi Ministry of Foreign Affairs, regarding Sir Andrew Ryan's attitude and conduct since his arrival in Jedda.
- Details of an Hejazi-Nejdi diplomatic mission to Europe (including visits to Italy, France, Britain, and the Netherlands), undertaken in May 1932 and headed by Amir Feisal [Fayṣal bin ‘Abd al-‘Azīz Āl Sa‘ūd], Hejazi Minister for Foreign Affairs (this part of the volume includes detailed accounts of the mission's meetings with Foreign Office officials during its visit to London).
- Sir Andrew Ryan's account of his meeting with Ibn Saud at Taif in July 1934, and their discussion of the 'blue line' (the frontier which marked the Ottoman Government's renunciation of its claims to Bahrain and Qatar, in the Anglo-Ottoman convention of 1913) and the Kuwait blockade.
- Details of several meetings held at the Foreign Office between Fuad Bey Hamza (Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs for Saudi Arabia), Sir Andrew Ryan and George William Rendel (Head of the Foreign Office's Eastern Department), during September 1934, regarding the 'blue line', the Kuwait blockade, and the future of the Treaty of Jedda (the treaty signed between Britain and Ibn Saud in 1927).
- Requests from the Italian Government for information regarding Fuad Bey Hamza's visit to London.
The volume features the following principal correspondents: His Majesty's Agent and Consul at Jedda, a position that was raised to His Majesty's Chargé d’Affaires to Jedda in late 1929 (Hugh Stonehewer Bird, William Linskill Bond, Cecil Gervase Hope Gill, and Albert Spencer Calvert successively); His Majesty's Minister at Jedda (Sir Andrew Ryan); His Majesty's Ambassador in Rome (Ronald William Graham); Ibn Saud; Amir Faisal; officials of the Hejazi/Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs; officials of the Foreign Office, the Colonial Office, and the India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. .
In addition to correspondence, the volume contains a copy of the minutes of a meeting of the Committee of Imperial Defence's Standing Official Sub-Committee for Questions Concerning the Middle East. The meeting, which took place in London on 8 November 1934, was primarily concerned with the settlement of the 'blue line' issue, the Saudi- Transjordan Used in three contexts: the geographical region to the east of the River Jordan (literally ‘across the River Jordan’); a British protectorate (1921-46); an independent political entity (1946-49) now known as Jordan frontier, and the Kuwait blockade.
The volume includes two dividers which give a list of correspondence references contained in the volume by year. These are placed at the back of the correspondence.
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- 1 volume (453 folios)
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The papers are arranged in approximate chronological order from the rear to the front of the file.
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Foliation: the foliation sequence for this description commences at the first folio with 1, and terminates at the last folio with 449; these numbers are written in pencil and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio. The front and back covers, along with the two leading and two ending flyleaves, have not been foliated.
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