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Coll 6/21(2) 'Saudi Arabia: Relations with H.M.G.: Saudi Legation in London and British Minister in Jeddah. Prolongation of Treaty of Jedda.' [‎330r] (659/761)

The record is made up of 1 file (379 folios). It was created in 14 Jan 1935-12 Apr 1947. It was written in English and Arabic. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .

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THIS DOCUMENT IS THE PROPERTY OF HIS BRI TANNIC MAJESTY’S GOVERNMENT
EASTERN (Arabia).
July 3, 1935.
CONFIDENTIAL.
Section 2.
[E 4127/318/25]
Record of Second Part of Third Meeting with Fuad Bey Hamza at the Foreign
Office on July 2, 1935.
THE first part of this meeting was devoted to further discussion of the
south-eastern frontiers of Saudi Arabia and is recorded separately. The
following were present for the second part of the meeting :—
Mr. Rendel.
Sir A. Ryan (His Majesty’s Minister
at Jedda).
Mr. Ward.
Fuad Bey Hamza (Deputy Saudi-
Arabian Minister for Foreign
Affairs).
Sheikh Hafiz Wahba (Saudi-Arabian
Minister in London).
At the end of the discussion on the frontier question, Mr. RENDEL
enquired whether Fuad Bey Hamza desired to raise any particular questions for
discussion at future meetings.
FUAD BEY HAMZA replied that he was anxious to discuss the question
of the prolongation of the Treaty of Jedda. He thought that the opportunity
should be taken to revise the treaty at the same time; for instance, the description
of King Abdul Aziz in it as “ His Majesty the King of the Hejaz and of Nejd
and its Dependencies ” required amendment.
Mr. RENDEL explained that Fuad Bey need have no fear that the change
in the title of King Abdul Aziz or of the Saudi Kingdom would affect the validity
or authority of the treaty : there were numerous cases where the King of England
was described by an obsolete title in treaties which were still binding on the
United Kingdom.
Turning to the question of the prolongation of the Treaty of Jedda,
Mr. Rendel pointed out that under article 8 it would continue in force indefinitely,
unless and until denounced by either party. He felt sure that neither His
Majesty’s Government nor the Saudi Government would wish to terminate the
treaty, which constituted the basis of their present friendly relations with each
other, unless there were some better and more up-to-date instrument to put in its
place. There would therefore be no particular advantage in formally prolonging
it— i.e., in the two parties binding themselves not to denounce it (since neither
had any intention of doing so)—unless it were for the purpose of taking the
opportunity to modify or abrogate some provision of the existing settlement.
He understood that the main desire of the Saudi Government in making their
present proposal was to secure the renunciation by His Majesty’s Government
of their qualified right to manumit slaves, as set out in the relevant exchange of
notes effected at the time of the signature of the main treaty.
FUAD BEY did not dissent from this analysis of the position.
SIR ANDREW RYAN remarked that there were three possibilities :—
{a) The present treaty could be allowed to go on until the ©uts-taTrdfn‘g"p6inJs
at issue had been settled.
(b) The present treaty could be formally prolonged, the opportunity
being taken to make any necessary changes in its provisions.
(c) Negotiations could be begun for a new treaty.
He considered that if the second course was to be discussed it would be best
to begin by trying to reach agreement on the question of slavery and the right of
manumission.
Mr. RENDEL observed that it was clearly to the common interest of both
the United Kingdom and Saudi Arabia to maintain their relations upon a firm
and durable basis, and it was only a question of the method by which this should
8025—1 [11839—2]

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This file, like the previous volume (IOR/L/PS/12/2087), concerns relations between the British Government and the Government of Saudi Arabia.

The file largely consists of copies of Foreign Office correspondence, mainly between His Majesty's Minister at Jedda (Sir Andrew Ryan, Sir Reader William Bullard, Hugh Stonehewer Bird, and Stanley R Jordan successively) and officials of the Foreign Office. Other prominent correspondents include the following: the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs; His Majesty's Chargé d’Affaires to Jedda (Albert Spencer Calvert, succeeded by Alan Charles Trott); His Majesty's Ambassador in Baghdad (Sir Kinahan Cornwallis); Ibn Saud [‘Abd al-‘Azīz bin ‘Abd al-Raḥmān bin Fayṣal Āl Sa‘ūd]; Amir Faisal [Fayṣal bin ‘Abd al-‘Azīz Āl Sa‘ūd], Minister of Foreign Affairs for Saudi Arabia; officials of the Colonial Office and the War Office.

The correspondence documents the progression of negotiations for a general settlement between the two governments, which would result in the initial prolongation of the validity of the Treaty of Jedda (the treaty signed between Britain and Ibn Saud in 1927, which initially expired in September 1934) for a period of seven years from 1936 (and for another seven years from 1943).

In addition to discussing matters relating to the proposed general settlement (e.g. the eastern and south-eastern boundaries of Saudi Arabia, slavery regulations, arms traffic, and Saudi debts), the correspondence also documents various visits and meetings, including the following:

  • The visit of Amir Saud [Āl Sa‘ūd, Sa‘ūd bin ‘Abd al-‘Azīz, heir apparent of Ibn Saud] to Britain (17 June-1 July 1935), accompanied by Fuad Bey Hamza, Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs for Saudi Arabia.
  • Further meetings at the Foreign Office between Fuad Bey Hamza, Hafiz Wahba (Saudi Minister in London), Sir Andrew Ryan, George William Rendel (Head of the Foreign Office's Eastern Department), and other Foreign Office officials, in July 1935, following on from meetings in September 1934.
  • Sir Andrew Ryan's meetings with Ibn Saud in Riyadh in December 1935 and in Jedda in February 1936.
  • Four interviews held between Ibn Saud, Sir Reader William Bullard and George William Rendel, in Jedda, during March 1937.

Also discussed are matters relating to the Second World War, including:

  • An exchange of letters between Ibn Saud and the British Prime Minister, Neville Chamberlain, in early 1939, which principally relate to Ibn Saud's concerns regarding his country's security in the event of the beginning of general hostilities.
  • German radio broadcasts in Jedda during the first few weeks of the Second World War and their possible effect on the Jedda population.
  • The possibility of Iraq and Saudi Arabia formally joining the Allies in the Second World War.

In addition to correspondence the file includes the following: a copy of a programme for Amir Saud's visit to Britain (ff 339-348); exchanges of notes (in English and Arabic) between the Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the British Legation at Jedda, confirming the prolongation of the Treaty of Jedda, dated 1936 and 1943 respectively (ff 189-192 and ff 4-5); a sketch map showing air routes over Saudi Arabia and Iraq (f 31v).

Although the material in this file falls inside the date range of 1935-1943, the final document in the file does include an additional date stamp which is marked '12 April 1947'.

The file includes two dividers which give a list of correspondence references contained in the file by year. These are placed at the back of the correspondence.

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1 file (379 folios)
Arrangement

The papers are arranged in approximate chronological order from the rear to the front of the file.

Physical characteristics

Foliation: the foliation sequence commences at the inside front cover with 1, and terminates at the last folio with 380; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio. A previous foliation sequence, which is also circled, has been superseded and therefore crossed out.

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Coll 6/21(2) 'Saudi Arabia: Relations with H.M.G.: Saudi Legation in London and British Minister in Jeddah. Prolongation of Treaty of Jedda.' [‎330r] (659/761), British Library: India Office Records and Private Papers, IOR/L/PS/12/2088, in Qatar Digital Library <https://www.qdl.qa/archive/81055/vdc_100048209026.0x00003e> [accessed 22 November 2024]

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