Coll 6/21(2) 'Saudi Arabia: Relations with H.M.G.: Saudi Legation in London and British Minister in Jeddah. Prolongation of Treaty of Jedda.' [278r] (555/761)
The record is made up of 1 file (379 folios). It was created in 14 Jan 1935-12 Apr 1947. It was written in English and Arabic. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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THIS DOCUMENT IS THE PROPERTY OF HIS BRITANNIC MAJESTY’S GOVERNMENT
EASTERN (Arabia).
December 30, 1935.
CONFIDENTIAL.
E 7575/318/25
H O *7
O O /
1936
Section 2.
S'zr ,4. Ryan to Sir Samuel Hoare.—(Received December 30.)
(No. 353.)
Sir, Jedda, December 10, 1935.
IN my telegram No. 217 of the 8th December, I had the honour to report
the results of the action taken by me in Riyadh on your despatch No. 311 of the
S( i I , 24th October regarding the question of slavery in Saudi Arabia. I have nothing
to add to what I stated in that telegram, except that I satished myself that it
would be useless to press Fuad Bey further on the three points which I was unable
to settle with him. I understood him to say that, if we agreed to the Saudi
slavery regulations as drafted, with the slight further modifications now agreed
on, Ibn Saud would be prepared to promulgate them in return for a promise by
His Majesty’s Government to renounce their right of manumission after a short
interval.
2. I dealt with the question of slavery, as in earlier discussions, as the
most important of the matters connected with the proposed prolongation of the
validity of the Treaty of Jedda. In this connexion I would offer the following
observations on paragraphs 12 to 14 of your despatch No. 311 of the 24th October.
Fuad Bey made no reference at Riyadh to the possibility of a new general treaty
between Great Britain and Saudi Arabia. The conditions foreshadowed in
paragraph 13 of your despatch, as those in which the conclusion of such a treaty
might be possible, have certainly not arisen. On the other hand, I see no reason
why the alternative course of prolonging the validity of the present treaty should
not still be pursued, despite the failure which has attended my efforts to secure a
settlement of the question of the eastern and south-eastern frontiers and the
uncertain future of other questions not discussed at Riyadh, notably that of air
facilities, which I preferred to postpone, and that of the
Transjordan
Used in three contexts: the geographical region to the east of the River Jordan (literally ‘across the River Jordan’); a British protectorate (1921-46); an independent political entity (1946-49) now known as Jordan
frontier,
one in which it is for the Saudi Government to make the next move. I have
throughout been averse from the alternative discussed in paragraph 14 of your
despatch, if it can be avoided. In these circumstances I should prefer, subject
to your approval, to proceed still on the lines of the second sentence of para
graph 12 of your despatch, that is to say to dispose of the question of slavery,
if this is possible, and then to proceed with the prolongation of the Treaty of
Jedda by an exchange of notes, dealing only with the right of manumission, Arms
Traffic and the language of the treaty.
3. As I am not yet in a position to report any further discussion of
importance regarding the last two subjects that I have mentioned, I can most
conveniently record the position in regard to them in this despatch :—
(a) In the course of the conversations at Riyadh I gave Fuad Bey the text
of the Arms Traffic formula proposed in paragraph 7 of your despatch
p. xf No. 321 of the 6th November. Fuad Bey did not seem to like it very
' 0 muchTdbut we did not discuss it systematically and I propose, in
accordance with paragraph 8 of that despatch, to postpone such
discussion, if possible, until we have got further with slavery.
(b) As regards the language of the treaty, I told Fuad Bey in the course of
our general conversations that I thought His Majesty's Government
would be prepared to give the Saudi Government satisfaction on this
point, but that it was so subsidiary to the other issues that I had
ascertained the general views of His Majesty’s Government on the
subject only just before leaving England and had not had formal
instructions.
If you approve of the general proposals in this despatch, and if I can dispose
successfully of the questions of slavery and Arms Traffic, I propose to act on the
assumption which I expressed in a minute in the Foreign Office file just before I
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This file, like the previous volume (IOR/L/PS/12/2087), concerns relations between the British Government and the Government of Saudi Arabia.
The file largely consists of copies of Foreign Office correspondence, mainly between His Majesty's Minister at Jedda (Sir Andrew Ryan, Sir Reader William Bullard, Hugh Stonehewer Bird, and Stanley R Jordan successively) and officials of the Foreign Office. Other prominent correspondents include the following: the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs; His Majesty's Chargé d’Affaires to Jedda (Albert Spencer Calvert, succeeded by Alan Charles Trott); His Majesty's Ambassador in Baghdad (Sir Kinahan Cornwallis); Ibn Saud [‘Abd al-‘Azīz bin ‘Abd al-Raḥmān bin Fayṣal Āl Sa‘ūd]; Amir Faisal [Fayṣal bin ‘Abd al-‘Azīz Āl Sa‘ūd], Minister of Foreign Affairs for Saudi Arabia; officials of the Colonial Office and the War Office.
The correspondence documents the progression of negotiations for a general settlement between the two governments, which would result in the initial prolongation of the validity of the Treaty of Jedda (the treaty signed between Britain and Ibn Saud in 1927, which initially expired in September 1934) for a period of seven years from 1936 (and for another seven years from 1943).
In addition to discussing matters relating to the proposed general settlement (e.g. the eastern and south-eastern boundaries of Saudi Arabia, slavery regulations, arms traffic, and Saudi debts), the correspondence also documents various visits and meetings, including the following:
- The visit of Amir Saud [Āl Sa‘ūd, Sa‘ūd bin ‘Abd al-‘Azīz, heir apparent of Ibn Saud] to Britain (17 June-1 July 1935), accompanied by Fuad Bey Hamza, Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs for Saudi Arabia.
- Further meetings at the Foreign Office between Fuad Bey Hamza, Hafiz Wahba (Saudi Minister in London), Sir Andrew Ryan, George William Rendel (Head of the Foreign Office's Eastern Department), and other Foreign Office officials, in July 1935, following on from meetings in September 1934.
- Sir Andrew Ryan's meetings with Ibn Saud in Riyadh in December 1935 and in Jedda in February 1936.
- Four interviews held between Ibn Saud, Sir Reader William Bullard and George William Rendel, in Jedda, during March 1937.
Also discussed are matters relating to the Second World War, including:
- An exchange of letters between Ibn Saud and the British Prime Minister, Neville Chamberlain, in early 1939, which principally relate to Ibn Saud's concerns regarding his country's security in the event of the beginning of general hostilities.
- German radio broadcasts in Jedda during the first few weeks of the Second World War and their possible effect on the Jedda population.
- The possibility of Iraq and Saudi Arabia formally joining the Allies in the Second World War.
In addition to correspondence the file includes the following: a copy of a programme for Amir Saud's visit to Britain (ff 339-348); exchanges of notes (in English and Arabic) between the Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the British Legation at Jedda, confirming the prolongation of the Treaty of Jedda, dated 1936 and 1943 respectively (ff 189-192 and ff 4-5); a sketch map showing air routes over Saudi Arabia and Iraq (f 31v).
Although the material in this file falls inside the date range of 1935-1943, the final document in the file does include an additional date stamp which is marked '12 April 1947'.
The file includes two dividers which give a list of correspondence references contained in the file by year. These are placed at the back of the correspondence.
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- 1 file (379 folios)
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The papers are arranged in approximate chronological order from the rear to the front of the file.
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Foliation: the foliation sequence commences at the inside front cover with 1, and terminates at the last folio with 380; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio. A previous foliation sequence, which is also circled, has been superseded and therefore crossed out.
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- Coll 6/21(2) 'Saudi Arabia: Relations with H.M.G.: Saudi Legation in London and British Minister in Jeddah. Prolongation of Treaty of Jedda.'
- Pages
- front, front-i, 2r:4r, 5r, 6r:31r, 32r:75v, 77r:77v, 79r:152v, 158r:173v, 175r:180v, 186r:187v, 188v:189r, 190v:191r, 192r:199v, 201r:204v, 206r:266v, 269r:275v, 276v:278v, 280r:286v, 288r:293r, 295r:314r, 316r:380v, back
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