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File 2182/1913 Pt 11 'Arabia: relations with BIN SAUD Hedjaz-Nejd Dispute' [555r] (667/678)
The record is made up of 1 item (336 folios). It was created in 16 Oct 1919-28 May 1920. It was written in English and Arabic. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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I arrived in Paris at nearly mid-nigbt of the ie/20tb.Dec and
received a rather gloomy account of the;state of affaire with"
the Mission* J g
I am glad to re^port that matters turned‘out better thin I was
P l J
led to supose and that for the remainder ©T their in Paris
they continued,at any rate outwardly in a happy frame of mind
and were continually laughing and Joking.
The arrangements made for their comfort and amusement by Mr.
Conway Davis worked well and the fact that they all repeatedly
stated that they wished that they could prolongs their visit
was I think sufficient testimonial as to their satisfaction.
I have no doubt that Mr.Phllby has already submitted his report
to you and hejis of course in a far better position to give a
clear idea of their mental attitude and the effect their visit
is likely to have on the political situation,than myself.
Perhaps however it will not come amiss if I as an Independent
observer,though It must be admitted for a very limited period,
also give you the impressions my connection with the Mission made
upon my mind.
I will endeavour therefore to give the Gist of our conversations
together.
It was not long before Ahmad bln Thunlyan broached the subject of
the Khursia Thuraba Impasse.
At great length he gave me the history of both places commencing
from a period about one hundred and twenty years previous to the
present trouble to prove to his own satisfaction,the claims of
Bin Saud to these two localities.
I asked him when he had finished to listen to me and to forget
for awhile his own view-point and to look on the question through
the eyes of the British Government.
I first pointed out that every question had two sides and that he
had to remember that H.M.G. had to consider both aspects.
I emphasised the points of the reply given to them by Lord Curzon
and added the following.
That having 4*** recently bean freed from the Turks Arabia was mw
given an opportunity of advancement and unity under the benevelont
help of Great Britain denied to them tor centuries. I
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Part 11 concerns British policy regarding the dispute between Bin Saud [‘Abd al-‘Azīz bin ‘Abd al-Raḥmān bin Fayṣal Āl Sa‘ūd, also referred to in the correspondence as Ibn Saud] and King Hussein of Hejaz [Ḥusayn bin ‘Alī al-Hāshimī, King of Hejaz] over Khurma and Tarabah [Turabah]. Much of the correspondence documents the efforts of the British to persuade the two leaders to agree to meet. It is initially proposed that the two should meet at Jeddah; however, it is reported by the Civil Commissioner, Baghdad, that Bin Saud refuses to meet King Hussein at Jeddah, Aden, or Cairo, and suggests a meeting at Baghdad instead. A number of other possibilities are discussed, including the following: the Secretary of State for India's proposal of a meeting of plenipotentiaries, either at Khurma or Tarabah, as an alternative to a meeting between the two leaders themselves; a suggestion by the High Commissioner, Egypt, that the two leaders meet in London; a proposal from Lord Curzon [George Nathaniel Curzon], Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, that Bin Saud should be induced to meet King Hussein on board a British ship at Jeddah, or, as is later suggested, at Aden.
Also included are the following:
- an account from Captain Norman Napier Evelyn Bray, political officer in charge of the Nejd Mission, which recounts the last days of the mission's stay in Paris, in late December 1919;
- a report from the High Commissioner, Egypt, on his recent meeting with King Hussein, which relays the latter's views on the allocation of control of Syria to France;
- discussion regarding the growing power and influence of Bin Saud's Akhwan [Ikhwan] forces;
- a note on the dispute by Harry St John Bridger, in which he volunteers to induce Bin Saud to agree to a meeting at any place (outside of Hejaz) suggested by His Majesty's Government;
- memoranda and diary entries written by the Political Agent A mid-ranking political representative (equivalent to a Consul) from the diplomatic corps of the Government of India or one of its subordinate provincial governments, in charge of a Political Agency. at Bahrain, Major Harold Richard Patrick Dickson, all of which discuss at length Dickson's interviews with Bin Saud at Hasa [Al Hasa] in January and February 1920;
- extracts from a report by the British Agent, Jeddah, Lieutenant-Colonel Charles Edwin Vickery, which recounts his recent interviews with King Hussein and the King's son, Emir Abdullah [ʿAbdullāh bin Ḥusayn al-Hāshimī].
The item features the following principal correspondents:
- Secretary to the India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. 's Political Department (John Evelyn Shuckburgh);
- Civil Commissioner, Baghdad [held in an officiating capacity by Lieutenant-Colonel Arnold Talbot Wilson];
- High Commissioner, Egypt (Field Marshal Edmund Henry Hynman Allenby);
- Secretary of State for India [Edwin Samuel Montagu];
- Foreign Office;
- British Agent, Jeddah (Lieutenant-Colonel Charles Edwin Vickery);
- Political Agent A mid-ranking political representative (equivalent to a Consul) from the diplomatic corps of the Government of India or one of its subordinate provincial governments, in charge of a Political Agency. , Bahrain (Major Harold Richard Patrick Dickson);
- Bin Saud;
- Admiralty;
- Viceroy of India [Frederic John Napier Thesiger].
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