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Coll 28/95 ‘Persia. Relations with H.M.G. Private claims against H.M.G.: case of the S.S. “Kara Deniz”.’ [217r] (433/691)
The record is made up of 1 file (343 folios). It was created in 29 Oct 1927-10 Feb 1938. It was written in English and French. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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get two steamers at Halifax through a London
broker
Often a local commercial agent in the Gulf who regularly performed duties of intelligence gathering and political representation.
Willis. I had corre
spondence with him from May till August. I had bought one of my steamers
through him before. The negotiations fell through. Then I tried to buy two
other boats at Constantinople The “ Hella ” and “ Constantine ” but failed. Then
I decided to try and buy the “ Karadeniz,” and the “ Ak. Deniz.” (Black Sea 5
and White Sea.) They belonged to the Seir Saffain Company. I bought the
“ Karadeniz.” The price was £T15,000. The same price as was paid by the
sellers. I paid TT5,000 cash and money £T10,000 which were due by the
Company to me were set off. The document I got from the seller is now with
the British Embassy at Constantinople. The Turkish G-overnment gave the 10
document, not the selling Company.
The sellers were a company subsidised by the Turkish Government. The
sale was absolute. Nothing was left to the sellers. All the documents were
made in conformance with the customs in force in Constantinople.
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W'hen this sale was completed I got this document from the Persian 15
Consul General at Constantinople. I produced the documents before the
Consul General which are mentioned in the Certificate from the British
Embassy. There was a document from the Government and a letter accom
panying it. The British Embassy asked for those documents and they were
sent by the Persian Consul General. When I heard that the vessel was 20
detained in Bombay I asked the Persian Consul General to communicate with
the British Embassy and thereupon the • British Embassy asked for the
documents which proved my ownership.
2 Certificate by the Persian Consul General.
That document shows that the Persian Government recognized the sale. 26
I have similar certificates for all my Steamers.
3 Coll. I produce four of such certificates.
4
5
6
7, 8,9
10
The stamp duty is 1 per cent. I paid TT150. The Persian stamps affixed
on the document are equivalent in value to that amount. On the 15th August
the vessel was supposed to be at Hodeidah. Two telegrams were sent to 30
Hodeidah in my presence. One by the selling Company to their Agent. One
by the Persian Consul General to the Persian Consul, announcing the sale of
the vessel. The Agent was asked to wait for instructions. The name of the
vessel was changed to “ Hamadan,” a Persian Town. The Persian Consul
General applied for the return of the documents from the British Embassy. 35
This is the reply. The Persian Consul General sent it on to me. I get it on
the 3rd January.
I intended that the vessel should trade from Busrah, if I got two boats. ,
Otherwise I intended that she should carry pilgrims to Jeddah. Six or seven
days after the sale I learnt the ship had left Hodeidah for Bombay. The 40
selling Company reported that to me. I arranged that they should send a
wire to their Agent at Bombay. I arranged with them to take delivery of ^the
vessel at Bombay, otherwise I had intended to do that at Hodeidah. The
Persian Consul General also wired to the Persian Consul at Bombay at my
expense. ^
Telegram 1st September sent by Persian Consul General.
Telegrams sent by Company to Shiraz.
I sent the ship’s Register, a Journal and copy of Ex. 2 to the Persian
Consul at Busrah about the beginning of September.
The Register bears a Persian Stamp for Duty and the writing was written 50
at the Persian Consulate.
The Journal was also stamped in the same way and the initial entry is
signed by the Consul General.
I sent two Persian flags to the Consul at Bus?ah and the Company’s
flag. • 5 j
The Boat I thought was going to Busrah. I got back the papers and
books from the Persian Consul in this cover. The Consul at Bombay tele
graphed for them, at my request.
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Correspondence, reports and other papers relating to the case of the SS Kara Deniz , a Turkish-owned steamship that was claimed as prize by the British Government at the moment of the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the First World War, while the vessel was moored at Bombay [Mumbai]. The papers focus on a financial claim made against the British Government by the vessel’s Greek owners, Socrates Atychides and Theodore Vahratoglou, based on the argument that the vessel had been sold to Persian owners before it was claimed as prize.
The file includes: correspondence beginning in 1927 and exchanged between the Foreign Office, India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. and Government of India, responding to the Government of Persia’s desire to conclude the claim being pursued by Atychides against the British Government; discussion of whether the Kara Deniz was detained prior to or after the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the War; accounts detailing the seizure of the Kara Deniz , including a 1928 note entitled ‘A brief account of the circumstances attending the alleged detention at Bombay of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” prior to her capture as a prize vessel in 1914’ (ff 323-330), and another note entitled ‘Diary of certain events relating to the detention of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” at Bombay in 1914” (ff 151-152); copies of correspondence (some in French) from Atychides; a printed copy of the court proceedings at the High Court of Judicature at Bombay, Admiralty and Vice-Admiralty Jurisdiction, entitled ‘Case No. 3 of 1914. In Prize. Steamship “Kara Deniz.”’ (ff 189-246); discussion of the claim in relation to other outstanding claims and disputes to be settled between the British and Persian Governments; a report prepared by HM Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary A diplomatic representative who ranks below an ambassador. The term can be shortened to 'envoy'. at Tehran, Reginald Hervey Hoare, dated 1935, entitled ‘British claims against Persia’ (ff 84-109).
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The papers are arranged in approximate chronological order from the rear to the front of the file.
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Foliation: the foliation sequence (used for referencing) commences at the inside front cover with 1, and terminates at the last folio with 345; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio.
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- Coll 28/95 ‘Persia. Relations with H.M.G. Private claims against H.M.G.: case of the S.S. “Kara Deniz”.’
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- 216r:222v, 234r:236v
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- Strangman, Thomas Joseph
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