Coll 6/21(1) 'Hejaz-Nejd: Relations with H.M.G.: Hejaz Legation in London and British Minister in Jeddah.' [141v] (293/914)
The record is made up of 1 volume (453 folios). It was created in 7 Sep 1927-10 Jan 1935. It was written in English. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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Saudi territory, and the present difference over Hazim, which'the
Transjordan
Used in three contexts: the geographical region to the east of the River Jordan (literally ‘across the River Jordan’); a British protectorate (1921-46); an independent political entity (1946-49) now known as Jordan
authorities considered as indisputably in
Transjordan
Used in three contexts: the geographical region to the east of the River Jordan (literally ‘across the River Jordan’); a British protectorate (1921-46); an independent political entity (1946-49) now known as Jordan
.
Mr. Rendel put forward personally and unofficially a tentative suggestion
that some of these points might be disposed of by some kind of local technical
frontier commission. He explained, however, that this suggestion was naturally
subject to the views of the
Transjordan
Used in three contexts: the geographical region to the east of the River Jordan (literally ‘across the River Jordan’); a British protectorate (1921-46); an independent political entity (1946-49) now known as Jordan
authorities, and that it might be found to
be open to unexpected difficulties.
Fuad Bey received this suggestion with partial assent. He agreed that a
. clarification of the position in regard to the
Transjordan
Used in three contexts: the geographical region to the east of the River Jordan (literally ‘across the River Jordan’); a British protectorate (1921-46); an independent political entity (1946-49) now known as Jordan
-Nejd frontier— e.q. by
the appointment of a frontier or delimitation commission—might well be "dealt
with m the proposed general negotiations. On the other hand, if the question of
tne future of Aqaba and Maan were to be left in abeyance, his Government would
iiave difficulty in touching in any way whatsoever the subject of the frontier
between
Transjordan
Used in three contexts: the geographical region to the east of the River Jordan (literally ‘across the River Jordan’); a British protectorate (1921-46); an independent political entity (1946-49) now known as Jordan
and the Hejaz.
Mr. Rendel agreed that King Ibn Baud was free to maintain the position
which he had taken up in 1927 on this subject, and thought that His Majesty’s
Government would, in these circumstances, probably be content to continue on
tne present basis, and not to press for any more formal recognition of the existing
frontier. It would, however, be necessary to consult the various departments of
Iis Majesty s Government concerned and the local authorities before saying any
thing more definite. Meanwhile, two points appeared to have emerged from the
present discussion : (1) King Ibn Baud was not yet prepared to crystallise the
present de facto frontier between
Transjordan
Used in three contexts: the geographical region to the east of the River Jordan (literally ‘across the River Jordan’); a British protectorate (1921-46); an independent political entity (1946-49) now known as Jordan
and the Hejaz; (2) there might be
certain advantages in including in the proposed negotiations for a general settle
ment some arrangement for the clarification of any points connected with the
ransjordan Aejd frontier, regarding which there was any local uncertainty^ 1 )
I he next subject which came up for discussion was the Hejaz Railway.
whiJAf hUa enq “ r ® d G yews of His Majesty’s Government on the proposal
eh he had made to Sir A. Ryan at Jedda for the calling of a technical
conference to discuss the reconditioning of the railway.
cbiectiorM-o that at si g ht Hls Misty's Government had no
consult the Freht, 7 pro P osa ! G G* had ’ of course ’ been necessary to
Tran • G/ f G G®™ mG ^ that lt was sti11 necessary to consult the
ansjoidan authorities. there seemed likely to be no difficultv so far a*
view^ofGfTrnGG Were c ° ncelJled ’. and although, pending the receipt of the
mews of the
Transjordan
Used in three contexts: the geographical region to the east of the River Jordan (literally ‘across the River Jordan’); a British protectorate (1921-46); an independent political entity (1946-49) now known as Jordan
authorities, it was still impossible for His Majesty’*
Gat “oflAGan d i n d state T nt 011 tMs P°G, it did not JtXlly
Government! W h 7 objectlon to the P rese nt limited proposals of the Saudi
It should be clearly understood, however, that His Maiestv’s Government
could not depart from the attitude they had always takGup h t Gs
that such wider issues as that of the ownership of the raOwav could not he
agreed ^twin fh d f cussl01 i' The proposed conference could, therefore only be
tnd practical points^ Understandm S that 14 sh °nld confine itself to techmcal
Mr. Rendel referred ^are^ in faof 1 ^ u , ne ^ rCai . ntles regarding the
Transjordan
Used in three contexts: the geographical region to the east of the River Jordan (literally ‘across the River Jordan’); a British protectorate (1921-46); an independent political entity (1946-49) now known as Jordan
frontiers to wide
originally plotted As a result ’ o/thk ^ inaccura ^ of the ma P s on which those frontiers wer
doubt, to an extent ^ T ^ where the fronti - s are F
grounds for maintaining their own interpretation"of^th?4 (jin ern , m “t appear to have good legs
cleared up with the Saudi Government 1 TW r f ontiie J’ but tlle matter has never beei
to leave the door open for a settlement of thfs^ , m eeting were intende
importance, as part of any general seftlement tW ITlG’ whi< f “ becommg one of som
from the first that it was likelv to nmvp imnr -G reac b e d- It had been recognise*
de facto frontier between
Transjordan
Used in three contexts: the geographical region to the east of the River Jordan (literally ‘across the River Jordan’); a British protectorate (1921-46); an independent political entity (1946-49) now known as Jordan
and thTlIeW obt ? m a more formal recognition of th
de facto frontier might be a ,Sv deHclh the Hejaz, and that any attempt to redefine thi
eastern part of the frontier (which is one of th'* ^ • ° n - A * 1a nd, the alignment of th.
on the true position of the southern terminal 'rd' m 'V' ln ^oobfl depends to a great exten
which it would be one of Ihe ohiecie Of f T 0f % GA,® bet "' een TransjordaS and Nejd
■establish. The delimitation of the Transiordan NeidT 8 ' 10 /'' an T e d Delimitation Commission t.
His Majesty's Government also T ” i m u fT mi « ht th « s m effect suffice to enabh
Transjordan
Used in three contexts: the geographical region to the east of the River Jordan (literally ‘across the River Jordan’); a British protectorate (1921-46); an independent political entity (1946-49) now known as Jordan
-Hejaz Xrcfo line ‘ * 0OTr “ tness °f ‘heir interpretation of th,
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This volume concerns relations between the British Government and the Government of the Hejaz and Nejd (later Saudi Arabia).
The volume largely consists of copies of Foreign Office and Colonial Office correspondence. The correspondence near the beginning of the volume discusses Ibn Saud's [‘Abd al-‘Azīz bin ‘Abd al-Raḥmān bin Fayṣal Āl Sa‘ūd's] wish to enter into full diplomatic relations with the British Government. The Hejazi Government's proposal in 1929 to establish a legation in London is accompanied by a request for the British Government to raise the status of its Agency An office of the East India Company and, later, of the British Raj, headed by an agent. and Consulate in Jedda to the same status.
The subsequent correspondence in the volume discusses the following:
- The British Government's consideration (and acceptance) of Ibn Saud's proposal, and the appointment of Sir Andrew Ryan as His Majesty's Minister at the British Legation in Jedda in May 1930.
- Hafiz Wahba's appointment as Hejazi Minister in London in 1930.
- Complaints made by the Hejazi Ministry of Foreign Affairs, regarding Sir Andrew Ryan's attitude and conduct since his arrival in Jedda.
- Details of an Hejazi-Nejdi diplomatic mission to Europe (including visits to Italy, France, Britain, and the Netherlands), undertaken in May 1932 and headed by Amir Feisal [Fayṣal bin ‘Abd al-‘Azīz Āl Sa‘ūd], Hejazi Minister for Foreign Affairs (this part of the volume includes detailed accounts of the mission's meetings with Foreign Office officials during its visit to London).
- Sir Andrew Ryan's account of his meeting with Ibn Saud at Taif in July 1934, and their discussion of the 'blue line' (the frontier which marked the Ottoman Government's renunciation of its claims to Bahrain and Qatar, in the Anglo-Ottoman convention of 1913) and the Kuwait blockade.
- Details of several meetings held at the Foreign Office between Fuad Bey Hamza (Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs for Saudi Arabia), Sir Andrew Ryan and George William Rendel (Head of the Foreign Office's Eastern Department), during September 1934, regarding the 'blue line', the Kuwait blockade, and the future of the Treaty of Jedda (the treaty signed between Britain and Ibn Saud in 1927).
- Requests from the Italian Government for information regarding Fuad Bey Hamza's visit to London.
The volume features the following principal correspondents: His Majesty's Agent and Consul at Jedda, a position that was raised to His Majesty's Chargé d’Affaires to Jedda in late 1929 (Hugh Stonehewer Bird, William Linskill Bond, Cecil Gervase Hope Gill, and Albert Spencer Calvert successively); His Majesty's Minister at Jedda (Sir Andrew Ryan); His Majesty's Ambassador in Rome (Ronald William Graham); Ibn Saud; Amir Faisal; officials of the Hejazi/Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs; officials of the Foreign Office, the Colonial Office, and the India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. .
In addition to correspondence, the volume contains a copy of the minutes of a meeting of the Committee of Imperial Defence's Standing Official Sub-Committee for Questions Concerning the Middle East. The meeting, which took place in London on 8 November 1934, was primarily concerned with the settlement of the 'blue line' issue, the Saudi- Transjordan Used in three contexts: the geographical region to the east of the River Jordan (literally ‘across the River Jordan’); a British protectorate (1921-46); an independent political entity (1946-49) now known as Jordan frontier, and the Kuwait blockade.
The volume includes two dividers which give a list of correspondence references contained in the volume by year. These are placed at the back of the correspondence.
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- 1 volume (453 folios)
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The papers are arranged in approximate chronological order from the rear to the front of the file.
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Foliation: the foliation sequence for this description commences at the first folio with 1, and terminates at the last folio with 449; these numbers are written in pencil and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio. The front and back covers, along with the two leading and two ending flyleaves, have not been foliated.
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