Coll 30/59 'Persian Gulf. Creation of Persian Navy, etc' [307r] (614/624)
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[This Document is the Property of His Britannic Majesty ’s Government.]
PERSIA.
CONFIDENTIAL.
[E 4421/1016/34
P
6152
i 1929
No. 1.
September 3, 1929.
r
Section 2.
Sir R. Clive to Mr. A. Henderson.—(Received September 3).
(No. 440. Very Confidential.)
Sir, Tehran, August 21, 1929.
WITH reference to paragraphs 17 and 18 of my despatch No. 439 of the
21st August, I have the honour to record my conversation with the Minister of Court
on the subject of his proposal that His Majesty’s Government should, as one of the
conditions of Persia renouncing her claim to Bahrein, provide the Persian Government
gratis with a number of small vessels (four of 1,000 tons and six of 200) in order to
police her waters and deal with the contraband traffic.
2. I said that if, for the sake of argument, His Majesty’s Government were
prepared to present Persia with ten vessels such as he proposed, how did the Persian
Government propose to man these vessels ? So far as I was aware, not only could
they not provide officers but they could not provide crews. While I did not profess
to know anything about naval matters, I imagined that before a British officer was
put in command of a gunboat of 1,000 tons he would have had to have some ten years’
service ; this added to five years’ training at a naval college would make fifteen years.
Again, I asked what about the Italian gunboats which I understood had been ordered
and the contracts which had been made with Italian naval officers ? His Highness said
that the Italian gunboats had not yet been definitely ordered, and that there would be
no difficulty about the Italian naval officers. Speaking personally [i.e., he had not
submitted this to His Majesty or to the Council of Ministers), what he would like
would be for British officers to command these vessels and for His Majesty’s
Government to agree to train in England a number of young Persians so that in time
they might be competent to take them over. I showed no enthusiasm for this
proposal; instead, I pointed out some of the difficulties in the way. I said, for
instance, that, so far as I understood, no British officers and no British crews were
kept in a bad climate like the
Persian Gulf
The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran.
for more than two years. The Persian
Gulf was notoriously one of the worst climates in the world. Supposing, however,
that British officers were allowed to volunteer for service in the
Persian Gulf
The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran.
, they
would almost certainly not be prepared to stay for more than two years and would
quite certainly require a very much higher rate of pay than they would receive in the
British navy. I added that I felt very doubtful whether any Persian could ever be
trained as a naval officer. Practically the only Persians who had ever seen the sea
or knew anything about it were the Persianised Arabs who lived on the Persian shore
of the Gulf. It was no doubt possible that crews might eventually be trained from
this element, but I could not see where the officers were to come from. It was
notorious that Persians from the plateau when sent for service to Khuzistan or Persian
Gulf ports at once complained of the damp heat and only counted the days until they
could be relieved.
3. His Highness did not deny this, but said that about twenty young Persians
were at present being trained at the Italian naval school at Leghorn. He refused to
take such a pessimistic view of the possibility of eventually creating a small Persian
marine service.
4. To return, however, to the question of British officers, he was convinced that
Great Britain alone, with her outstanding knowledge of the
Persian Gulf
The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran.
and the
finest navy in the world, could help Persia in her difficulties in putting down the
contraband trade.
5. He was prepared to recognise that Great Britain must always be the first
Power in the
Persian Gulf
The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran.
. Persia was content with second place, but she wished
and intended to establish her right to that second place and to have her territorial
waters respected. Persia fully recognised all that Great Britain had done in the Gulf,
and that without our controlling hand Muscat, Koweit, &c., would be infesting the
Gulf with pirates, and that the traffic in arms and slaves would be general. He did
not for a moment wish to contest our claim to control the southern shores of the Gulf.
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This file contains correspondence between British officials concerning their response to the Government of Iran's desire to establish a navy in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. . Topics discussed include what role the British Government should play in terms of supplying ships, personnel and training and the subsequent role of the Italian Government in this regard. Much of the later correspondence in the file relates to the specifics of Italy's involvement in supplying Iran's fledgling naval force.
The file contains a limited amount of correspondence in French between Britain's Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary A diplomatic representative who ranks below an ambassador. The term can be shortened to 'envoy'. in Tehran, Sir Robert Henry Clive and the Iranian Minister, Abdolhossein Teymourtash.
In addition to correspondence, the file contains the following:
- 'Report of Visit to Persian Gunboat "Babr" on 20th January 1935' (folios 22-23)
- 'Precis of conversation with Lieutenant Bucconi of the Italian Navy attached to the Persian Navy', 1933 (folios 46-48)
- 'Anglo-Persian Negotiations. Suggested sale to Persia by Great Britain of Patrol Vessels for anti-contraband work in Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. , and proposed British Naval Mission for Persia' (folios 237-248)
- 'Persian Naval Proposals' - minutes of meetings held on the topic at the Foreign Office in 1929 (folios 292-302, 272-283).
The file includes a divider, which gives a list of correspondence references contained in the file by year. This is placed at the back of the correspondence.
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- 1 file (310 folios)
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Foliation: the foliation sequence (used for referencing) commences at the inside front cover with 1, and terminates at the last folio with 311; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio.
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