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Coll 28/95 ‘Persia. Relations with H.M.G. Private claims against H.M.G.: case of the S.S. “Kara Deniz”.’ [289r] (577/691)
The record is made up of 1 file (343 folios). It was created in 29 Oct 1927-10 Feb 1938. It was written in English and French. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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PRIVATE & CONFI DENTIAL
0 P Y
Athens.
0 * Tf^p Crown Procurator,
^rlze' Court,
Sir
BOMBA
re Persian
s/VhamaDAN"
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named steamer
'that the sale
ex Ottoman a/ s KARA^DENIZ'*
I beg leave to bring before your Honour,the following
facts:-
^ About the middle of last month I was approached by a friend,
a Greek ShipBroker who gave me certain information,as a result of
which he put me into communication with a well known Greek advocate
from Constantinople (Acting on behalf of his client MrtB.Vahratoglau)
and who made certain statements which I forthwith communicated to h
the British Legation,upon which they dispatched a telegra m to Bombay
on or about the 28th April last,to the effect
’’that doc unen tar y evidence was obtainable proving that'the cxbove"
is still the property of the Ottoman 3/N C 0 ,and 11
to Mr Socrates Atychides is a fictitious one,
'•’enquiring at the same time what remuneration would be altoed for”
'•'such evidence".
So far,no reply has been received* I therefore beg to place the
facts, clearly and frankly before you. Sir, to enable you to form an Jt
opinion,and telegraph or write to me^or to the British Legation to
be communicated to me*
FIRSTLY .allow me to point out that I am an Snglishman-previousJ to
the war residing in Constantinople,but now temporarily resident in
Athens. That my sole desire and interest in this matter is, that
the Prize Court should be placed in full possession of evidence,
and that we should not be hoodwinked by Mr Socrates Atychides*
Mr Atychides was afSHipowner and Contractor to the Ottoman Govern -
ment,and some four or five years ago he became a Persian subject.
On the outbreak of War with Turkey, the"HAMADAN ,, happened to be
trading between the Red Sea and Persian 0-cilf,and in order to save
the steamer,I understand a fictitious sale was arranged between the
Director G-eneral of the Ottoman Stm/Nav Co and Mr atychides in xlxx
virtue of which she was of course placed under the Persian flag*
I also understand thaYpending the flecisionjof the Prize Court,
our Authorities have concluded an agreement wiV'h Atychides for the
hire of this steamer at £3500,per month,such sum to be regularly
deposited in a Bank,it being also stipulated that in the event of
Atychidea proving she could have earned a larger amount (provided
the Court pronounced a Judgment in his favour)that the Admiralty
will indemnify him for such difference,besides several other condi
tions in favour of Atychides*
Consequently should jfhe proceedings in the Prize Court ter
minate favourably for Atychides,it will cost our Exchequer,anything
between £30,000 and £50,000,if not more,nay even £t00,000 at the
present rates of freights*
Mr Atychides,was in partnership with the aforementioned
T.B.TBahratoglou (A Cireek, Ottoman Subject) but subsequent to the fore”
going details,they quarrelled and separated-Vahratoglou knowing he-
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Correspondence, reports and other papers relating to the case of the SS Kara Deniz , a Turkish-owned steamship that was claimed as prize by the British Government at the moment of the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the First World War, while the vessel was moored at Bombay [Mumbai]. The papers focus on a financial claim made against the British Government by the vessel’s Greek owners, Socrates Atychides and Theodore Vahratoglou, based on the argument that the vessel had been sold to Persian owners before it was claimed as prize.
The file includes: correspondence beginning in 1927 and exchanged between the Foreign Office, India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. and Government of India, responding to the Government of Persia’s desire to conclude the claim being pursued by Atychides against the British Government; discussion of whether the Kara Deniz was detained prior to or after the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the War; accounts detailing the seizure of the Kara Deniz , including a 1928 note entitled ‘A brief account of the circumstances attending the alleged detention at Bombay of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” prior to her capture as a prize vessel in 1914’ (ff 323-330), and another note entitled ‘Diary of certain events relating to the detention of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” at Bombay in 1914” (ff 151-152); copies of correspondence (some in French) from Atychides; a printed copy of the court proceedings at the High Court of Judicature at Bombay, Admiralty and Vice-Admiralty Jurisdiction, entitled ‘Case No. 3 of 1914. In Prize. Steamship “Kara Deniz.”’ (ff 189-246); discussion of the claim in relation to other outstanding claims and disputes to be settled between the British and Persian Governments; a report prepared by HM Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary A diplomatic representative who ranks below an ambassador. The term can be shortened to 'envoy'. at Tehran, Reginald Hervey Hoare, dated 1935, entitled ‘British claims against Persia’ (ff 84-109).
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Foliation: the foliation sequence (used for referencing) commences at the inside front cover with 1, and terminates at the last folio with 345; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio.
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- Coll 28/95 ‘Persia. Relations with H.M.G. Private claims against H.M.G.: case of the S.S. “Kara Deniz”.’
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- 288r:290v
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- Silley, Alfred Charles
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