Coll 28/95 ‘Persia. Relations with H.M.G. Private claims against H.M.G.: case of the S.S. “Kara Deniz”.’ [235r] (469/691)
The record is made up of 1 file (343 folios). It was created in 29 Oct 1927-10 Feb 1938. It was written in English and French. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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Q.-—Coming to the year 1914 do you produce a bundle of correspondence
consisting of 20 documents beginning with a receipt for a telegram of eight
words to “ Galata, Constantinople,” dated the 12th January 1914, and ending
with a letter from Rowland Willis and Company to Atychides and Vahratoglon,
5 dated the 20th April 1914 ?
• A.—I do.
(The documents were handed in and marked “ Exhibit G.L.A. 3.”)
Q.—Who are Messrs. Harris and Dixon of 81, Gracechurch Street ?
A.—They are a firm of steamship owners and steamship brokers from
10 whom I was committed for the “ Ocamo ” and the “ Oruro.”
Q.—Messrs. Harris and Dixon were the agents for sale of the u 'Ocamo ”
and “ Oruro ” ?
A.—Yes.
Q.—I ought to have asked you before what is your telegraphic address ?
15 A.—“ Asceteria, London.”
Q.—Can you summarise the names of all the steamers in respect of w T hich
you have negotiated with Mr. Socrates Atychides during 1913 and 1914 ?
A.—'Yes, I have a list here. There were 20 in 1913.
(The list was handed in and marked “ Exhibit G.L.A. 4.”)
20 Q-—you also negotiate in 1914 ?
A.—Yes, the “ Ashton,” the “ Lincoln,” the “ Ocamo,” and the “ Orurc.”
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Q.—The last communication you had with Mr. Atychides was the 20th
April 1914 ?
A.—That would be the last as far as I can find.
25 Q.—I see in that last communication you end up by saying : “ If we can
ever get the “ Ocamo ” and “ Oruro ” we will certainly wire you ?
A.—That is right; that was to get them at his price of T10,000 for the
two boats.
CROSS-EXAMINED by Mr. Strangman on behalf of the Government
33 of Bombay, the witness said as follows :—
Q.—Was this man Himminghoffen, whose name I see mentioned in the
correspondence, a partner of Mr. Socrates Atychides ?
A.—That I could never find out. When I sold the “ Clapton ” Mr. Him-
minghoffen certainly came on board the second day when she was inspected.
35 That was in London, but since then Mr. Atychides has never come back to
London and Mr. Himminghofien has ; he has always treated as if he was in
some way financially interested with Mr. Atychides.
Q.—In the purchase of steamers ?
A.—Yes, but it does not appear in any correspondence because there have
40 never been any letters from Constantinople which Mr. Himminghoffen has signed.
On the other hand, when he came over on matters beforehand with reference to
the “ Clapton ” in wdiich there was some little difficulty, Mr. Himminghonen
was sent over by Mr. Atychides. But as to whether he is a partner in that
firm I cannot tell you.
45 Q-— The only ship you sold to Mr. Atychides was the Clapton ?
A.—That is right.
Q.—After the sale of the “ Clapton ” the negotiations you had with
Mr. Atychides consisted of your sending to him particulars of steamers as they
came into the market and his making offers for them in some .cases or no oiieis
50 at all ?
A.—That is quite right.
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Correspondence, reports and other papers relating to the case of the SS Kara Deniz , a Turkish-owned steamship that was claimed as prize by the British Government at the moment of the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the First World War, while the vessel was moored at Bombay [Mumbai]. The papers focus on a financial claim made against the British Government by the vessel’s Greek owners, Socrates Atychides and Theodore Vahratoglou, based on the argument that the vessel had been sold to Persian owners before it was claimed as prize.
The file includes: correspondence beginning in 1927 and exchanged between the Foreign Office, India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. and Government of India, responding to the Government of Persia’s desire to conclude the claim being pursued by Atychides against the British Government; discussion of whether the Kara Deniz was detained prior to or after the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the War; accounts detailing the seizure of the Kara Deniz , including a 1928 note entitled ‘A brief account of the circumstances attending the alleged detention at Bombay of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” prior to her capture as a prize vessel in 1914’ (ff 323-330), and another note entitled ‘Diary of certain events relating to the detention of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” at Bombay in 1914” (ff 151-152); copies of correspondence (some in French) from Atychides; a printed copy of the court proceedings at the High Court of Judicature at Bombay, Admiralty and Vice-Admiralty Jurisdiction, entitled ‘Case No. 3 of 1914. In Prize. Steamship “Kara Deniz.”’ (ff 189-246); discussion of the claim in relation to other outstanding claims and disputes to be settled between the British and Persian Governments; a report prepared by HM Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary A diplomatic representative who ranks below an ambassador. The term can be shortened to 'envoy'. at Tehran, Reginald Hervey Hoare, dated 1935, entitled ‘British claims against Persia’ (ff 84-109).
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